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Jones isn’t an NFL QB.

First 5 seasons: Cam 18,263 yards passing - Josh 18,397 Cam 117 TDs, 64 INTs - Josh 138 TDs, 60 INTs Cam 18,263 rushing yards - Josh 18,379 rushing yards Cam 43 rushing TDs - Josh 39 rushing TDs Cam 3-3 postseason record - Josh 4-4 postseason record They have been incredibly similar in their first 5 seasons. The difference is that Cam collapsed after his 5th season. He was on a HOF trajectory until injuries caught up with him. Comparing Josh’s first 5 seasons to Cam’s first 5 seasons isn’t an insult to Josh. Cam was elite, and he’s got the hardware to prove it.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/401326633 He threw the following incompletions: 12:49 12:44 5:01 3:32 2:39 1:02 0:22

I’m not disappointed in anything. I’ve said in this thread that he may well win an MVP and a Super Bowl and will likely be in the HOF. You’re the one trying to say that Allen is the best while hand waiving away MVPs, Super Bowls, postseason records, regular season records, and stats that all say otherwise. The thread title isn’t “Who is your favorite player?” It’s “How good is Josh Allen?” The answer to that is he’s an excellent QB. He’s undeniably in the top 5. He’s arguably the second best. He’s not the best, though.

I recall. He didn’t because Mahomes went 2/2 for 44 yards in 10 seconds to put his team in range to tie the game with a FG and then went 6/6 for 61 yards and a TD in overtime. I realize that doesn’t fall into your definition of “when it counts” because, in a thread about how good Josh is, the only answer you’ll accept is “OMG he’s the best of all time”. It doesn’t matter that other QBs have won MVPs, Super Bowls, have better records, better stats, etc. None of that matters to you. Josh is 4-4 in the postseason including a 27-10 loss last year, but postseason records don’t matter. Josh has never won a Super Bowl, but championships don’t matter. Josh has never taken the Bills to the #1 seed in the conference, but regular season wins don’t matter. Josh has never won an MVP, but MVPs don’t matter. The only thing that matters is the logo on the helmet and as long as there’s a buffalo on his helmet, then by God Josh is the GOAT. You’re right. He was 9/16 for 107 yards. I said 8/15 for 107 originally.

Allen in the 4th quarter: 8/15 107 yards Mahomes in 4th and overtime: 11/15 186 yards

WTF are you talking about? Mahomes had better stats across the board AND won the game. What other metric do you want to use?

Mahomes had more passing yards, more rushing yards, completed a higher percentage of his passes, had the same number of total TDs, and didn’t fumble.

Plenty of businesses require employees to sell their equity back to the company when they leave employment.

I love how you just hand waive away a Super Bowl and MVP. Cam Newton’s best WR was Ted Ginn that season, and the Bills have had the 1st or 2nd ranked defense for 3 straight seasons. Cam was the league MVP and took his team to the Super Bowl. Those are 2 major accomplishments.

Cam won MVP and made the Super Bowl in year 5. He was easily superior in the first two seasons of their respective careers. If Cam was doing that today, there would be a debate regarding who was better. The difference between them is that Cam fell off a cliff after his 5th season and we’re assuming Josh won’t. If the arm injury Josh sustained last season had been serious enough to affect him for the rest of his career, they would end up being thought of pretty similarly (other than the MVP and Super Bowl). As it stands, it certainly looks like Josh still has a long career ahead of him that could ultimately include both of those things and very likely end in Canton.

Josh has played 5 seasons. 2 of them were bad. At this point in their careers Cam had won ROY, MVP, and a conference championship. People forget how good Cam was because he played several years after being busted up, but if you only compare their first 5 seasons, Cam was the superior player. He simply couldn’t maintain it due to the toll injuries took on him. Hopefully the same thing doesn’t happen to Josh.

Man, the Chiefs front office must have no idea what they’re doing.

That’s why the 1 seed is so important.

They really just snapped that ball with 25 seconds on the clock.

She loves the game…for a long time.

These refs have been pretty stingy with the flags tonight.

Yep, and he absolutely wasn’t blocked into him.

The refs have been instructed to crack down on watchability.

Why would Houston trade them?

Pollard is slow AF.

7 first half points worth of flow.

Thanks! (I’m still not eating those disgusting burgers, tho.)

I don’t know about you guys, but I’m really enjoying watching the officials throw flags in between Burger King commercials.

He’s terrible.