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You deliberately misrepresented the situation by only using data from 5 years ago before Carr fell off a cliff. Cooper’s production was in a free fall prior to the trade. He averaged 49 YPG with Carr in 2017 and 47 YPG with him in 2018 (plus 1 TD in 6 games). He averaged 81 YPG with 6 TDs in 9 games after the trade in 2018 then backed it up with 74 YPG and 8 TDs in 2019. The difference between his career arc prior to the trade and after it is striking.

That $20,000,000 WR’s production with Carr was crap compared to what it was with Dak. Who helped who? Let Dak walk and see how Cooper does catching passes from Mariota while Jake Fromm waits for his turn on the carousel.

Just so I’m clear, you’re saying that all a QB has to do in order to get respect is to throw 56 TDs, 15 INTs in 2 seasons, win on the road in the playoffs at New Orleans, and then win on the road against the best defense in the NFL when his team gets outrushed by 160 yards? I’m assuming he’d have had to outduel Mahomes in the Super Bowl as well or we’d be having this same conversation. He’s a guy people love to disrespect, but he’s absolutely a top 10 QB. Honestly, I kind of do get it. I’ve watched him enough to know that there are 2 plays a game when he does something that seems totally gutless, but he puts up numbers and wins a ton of games. Alex Smith was the same way, but Cousins puts up bigger numbers. The Vikings would be a perfect candidate to draft a QB with huge upside similar to what KC did.

No he wasn’t. He was 21/31 with 1 TD and 1 turnover on the road against the best defense in football. They lost because they had 21 yards rushing and gave up 6 sacks.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=401131038

Every GM would take Dak. It’s not even close. How is Allen’s ceiling higher than Dak’s? Prescott’s worst season is way better than Josh’s best season, and they aren’t that far apart enough in age. Dak has also proven to be considerably more durable which would be a huge consideration in an exercise like this.

That’s a chicken/egg situation. Teams aren’t winning because they run. They run because they’re winning. The teams who run the most kneel downs have the highest winning percentage, but that doesn’t mean teams need to implement kneel-heavy offenses. As your last sentence implies, teams throw to score and run to kill the clock.

He’s given them 4 years of top 10 QB production for pennies on the dollar. His performance has been worth easily $30,000,000 in terms of value per year. He’s averaged less than $3,000,000. He’s damn right that he deserves $35,000,000. What have they done with that $120,000,000 in surplus value that leads anyone to believe that the Cowboys can build a competitive team around him if he makes $32,000,000 but not if he makes $35,000,000? Good luck finding another 26 year old QB to give you 30 TDs and 5,000 yards without turning the ball over who doesn’t want to be paid elite money.

What does Cousins have to do for people to start respecting him? He’s thrown 56 TDs and 15 INTs in his two seasons with Minnesota. He threw for nearly 5,000 yards for the freaking Redskins. He’s Phillip Rivers.

It’s simple math, really. There are 32 teams, and there are maybe 10-20 people on the planet capable of being a franchise QB. Throwing numbers at the situation doesn’t change the equation. It’s interesting to me how little ink gets devoted to what the Chiefs did. They had a franchise QB playing at his peak, and they still made a huge move to get someone they saw as a superstar. I don’t think that had ever been done before, and I know it hasn’t been done since. It was brilliant because it worked, but I don’t know who has the balls to try something similar. It does make sense that bringing a young QB in when you’ve got the ability to ease him into a good situation rather than throw him into a mess is a winning strategy, but it’s a luxury that few teams have. I wouldn’t be shocked to see KC draft someone like Anthony Gordon in the 5th round, groom him, and trade him for a high draft pick to a QB needy team that doesn’t have the time/ability to groom their own (similar to what the Patriots did with Brissett and Jimmy G.)

You clearly didn’t watch that game. Jackson was incredible, and his receivers dropped everything including one that bounced to a DB for an INT.

Guess you just throw out 5,000 rushing yards and 58 TDs when that guy doesn’t have a bison on his helmet. Let’s not ignore the fact that he has only 55 career fumbles in 125 games, either. 508, but who’s counting?

Watson, Brady, Prescott, Rodgers, Ryan, Wentz... Not one was top 10. Allen was 24th this season after being 32nd last season. Think about what you’re saying. There are probably 15 or so franchise QBs in the league. They can’t all be in the top 10 most years. Just for reference, from 2015-17 Tyrod ranked 8th, 18th, and 16th in Buffalo. Orton was 19th the season prior.

Matt Barkley literally wouldn’t be a top 500 pick. I’d rather have Aaron Donald at 20 and Mitch Trubisky at 42 than say Teddy Bridgewater and Travis Kelce. The difference between the projected 15 and 30 at the QB spot is small enough that you can pretty much draw them out of a hat.

Have you seen their pictures? They’re basically twins. Like Devito and Schwarzenegger. Aaron Brooks, Lamar Jackson, Warren Moon, Michael Vick, Jamarcus Russel, Malcolm X... They’re pretty much interchangeable as QBs.

Just saying that you might want to see how things play out before crowning winners and losers when it comes to trades. If my opinion is dumb, at least it’s got plenty of company.

There’s no need to talk about potential with Lamar. He just delivered a historically great season. 36/6 TD/INT while rushing for over 1,200 yards and 7 TDs. Allen could go on to have a HOF career without ever having a season like that. With Lamar, it’s not just what he does that’s great. It’s what he doesn’t do, and that’s put the ball in harm’s way. LJ: 577 touches, 6 INTs, 9 fumbles JA: 570 touches, 9 INTs, 14 fumbles

Lamar Jackson is basically Warren Moon.

How do the first two rounds shake out?

So your plan would be to let a guy who put up 30/9 with 4,900 yards walk so that you could sign Jacoby Brissett for half as much?

Pick #1 is pretty obvious. The second pick would be interesting. I could see it being Wilson, Jackson, Watson, or Murray.

That’s a pretty good deal. Fumble rates are at an all time low, so it’s a great time to refinance them.

So instead of having 22 fumbles, he actually has 15.75? Am I understanding this correctly?

There is ZERO chance Allen would go ahead of Murray. Donald then Bosa

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