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Jackson was amazing in the first three quarters of the playoffs. His receivers played the worst game I’ve ever seen, or they’d have blown the doors off the Titans. It wasn’t until the fourth quarter when Jackson had to play hero ball that he looked bad. The Ravens are legit.

I’m saying the game was very much in doubt. Pittsburgh has a 72% expected win rate at one point.

Stafford’s talent hasn’t won any Superbowls either. It takes both.

What makes his ceiling so high? I think most people would agree he’s a top 10 athlete at the QB position, probably around 7th. What makes you say his ceiling is higher than guys like Lamar, Pat, DeShaun, etc.?

I’ve never seen a team drop more passes than Baltimore did in that game. It should have been a blowout.

He was 27 years old when McVay moved on from him more than 2 years ago? He must be from a different realm after all given that today he’s only 26. Normal human beings age in a linear fashion. Not the Lizard King Reptilian Solar Being.

I looked this up to see if reality matches perception. Pretty interesting, actually. Josh had 4 TD runs of 1 yard. Three of them were preceded by a Gore run from the 1 yard line that went for no gain. One of those three was on 4th down. Gore got stoned from the 1 yard line on first, second, and third downs before Josh ran it in. You are absolutely right. How in the world did the Jets look at Frank Gore and decide he had anything to offer? He’s beyond washed. 179 touches, and he had 2 TDs. Both were 1 yard runs. They came in weeks 2 and 3. By comparison, the corpse of Shady McCoy had 129 touches and 5 TDs.

Totally agree with the Cam comparison as his upside given his current style. Steve McNair would be another. IMO he needs to start morphing into more of a Roethlisberger style player if he’s going to be successful long term. Being a capable runner who mixes in the occasional ‘wow’ throws can buy a young QB some time while they develop into an effective passer, but it’s not a viable substitute forever. Eventually you have to be able to make consistently make the routine throws.

WTF are you talking about? The cutoff is when EJ Manuel got benched. That was after 4 games in his second season.

The Bills played the 21st ranked pass defense in week 3. Does that matter, or is this another one of your ‘50% is basically the same as 16%’ facts?

It’s true and it’s not true. Lamar Jackson, Pat Mahomes, Russel Wilson, Josh Allen, Deshaun Watson, and Ryan Tannehill are all dual threat QBs who made the postseason. Jackson is clearly the best runner of the group. The rest of them are pretty much interchangeable in terms of running ability with the biggest difference being how often they do it. There were 5 QBs who averaged 5+ rushes per game (Jackson, Allen, Murray, Minshew, and Watson). That’s 2 rookies, 2 second year players, and a third year player. Guys like Wilson and Mahomes are great runners who use their mobility to extend plays while looking for receivers and are selective about taking off running. What you aren’t going to see is them trying to slam the ball in on first and goal from the 1 in a random regular season game. There’s no reason to take hits like that when you could get the same result by handing it to a back.

EJ Manuel’s rookie season was easily superior to Allen’s rookie season pretty much across the board. He got benched after 4 games in his second season with a stat line of 7 TDs,(2 rushing) 3 INTs, 838 passing yards, 1 fumble, and 79 total points scored. After 4 games of Josh’s second season, Josh had 6 TDs (3 rushing) 6 INTs, 903 passing yards, 5 fumbles, and 76 total points scored. The difference is Buffalo’s defense gave up 24.25 PPG when Manuel was the starter and 16 PPG last season. Buffalo scored more than 24 points 4 times last season. The Bills scored more than 16 points 13 times in 2013. Their productivity is essentially indistinguishable from one another’s. EJ got yanked after 4 games his second year. Josh didn’t.

How about the 18 postseason targets for 14 catches, 288 yards, and a TD. That do anything for you? His worst game of the postseason was 76 yards receiving on 2 targets. The leading receiver for the Bills against the Texans was Singletary. He also had 76 yards receiving, but it was on 7 targets. Here’s guessing that if Duke would have had 76 yards on 2 targets against the Texans like Sammy did rather than 49 yards on 10 targets, Buffalo would have had a chance to play against the reptilian solar king. As much as people here wish it weren’t true, Watson was a key piece of that Super Bowl winning team.

People also want to discount the transition from growing up in Florida and then suddenly living in upstate NY. Buffalo is a nice town, but it may as well be a completely different planet (insert reptilian solar king joke here). He was a 21 year old kid from the Deep South who was thrown onto a bad football team in upstate NY and expected to be the savior because of the draft capital spent to acquire him. He got off to an incredible start to his career, but when he got hurt, the city turned on him. He certainly didn’t do himself any favors with his partying, but he didn’t get into a bunch of trouble. He’s a pretty good dude by just about every account. It’s funny how the same people who will make every excuse in the world for one player show no quarter for others. In any event, he’s been through a lot. He played a huge role in winning a championship and seems to be eager to play a larger role next year. It’s easy to forget that he’s still only 26. If he can keep his mind and body right (two big ‘ifs’) he’s going to end his career with some really impressive numbers, a huge bank account, and likely multiple rings.

PFF: Compares a QB with a rating of 85.3 in 2019 to a QB with a rating of 83.0 GB808: This is a stupid comparison. GB808: Compares a QB with a rating of 113.3 in 2019 to a QB with a rating of 85.3 I mean you literally made one “point” in your post, and it was that 50% of Jackson’s TDs were inside 5 yards. I showed that the actual percentage was 16.7%. Sorry you make up facts out of thin air.

Your posts are great. Too bad they’re complete BS. Average length of TD pass by LJ: 17.83 yards Average length of TD pass by JA: 17.95 yards TD passes >40 yards LJ: 4 JA: 1 Percentage of TD passes from inside 5 yards LJ: 16.7% JA: 15%

Lamar still led the NFL in TD passes, and his RBs still scored. Many of Allen’s rushing TDs came at the expense of his backs as evidenced by the fact that they had a total of 4 on the season. In the Pittsburgh game, for example, Singletary had a long run to about the six inch line for first and goal. The next play was a QB draw where Allen walked in untouched. Nearly every other team hands that ball off for the TD. Allen had 9 rushing TDs 1 yard 1 yard 1 yard 1 yard 3 yards 6 yards 8 yards 10 yards 15 yards Lamar had 7 1 yard 1 yard 3 yards 8 yards 9 yards 21 yards 47 yards So of Allen’s 29 TDs, 4 of them were 1 yard runs (14%). Of Jackson’s 43 TDs, 2 of them were 1yard runs (5%). If you take their QB sneaks out of the equation, Jackson is still an MVP level QB.

I agree. As of today, I don’t think an objective observer can say with any degree of certainty that JA is or isn’t the long term answer. This time next year, I don’t think that will be the case. I’m also of the opinion that if you can’t tell who a QB is after year 3, then it’s time to find his replacement because that’s how you wind up in purgatory with a guy like Andy Dalton or Marcus Mariota. If he puts it together, the Bills are a very real threat to win the AFC. I think they’re the third best team in the conference behind Kansas City and Baltimore. I don’t believe in Pittsburgh at all, and New England is going to be a tough out, but they aren’t a legit Super Bowl contender IMO.

Here’s the link to the Ravens game. Feel free to watch it again. He was terrible. It’s okay to acknowledge that he repeatedly missed receivers by several yards and took huge sacks. https://gamepass.nfl.com/game/ravens-at-bills-on-12082019?condensed=true The Bills were down 16-0 late in the 3rd quarteragainst the Jets. Allen had thrown 2 INTs and lost 2 fumbles, but he led 3 straight scoring drives to win the game. If you like him at +1800, go to Sportsbook.ag and get much better odds. They’re at 40-1 as of right now. https://www.sportsbook.ag/sbk/sportsbook4/nfl-betting/2020-season-futures-regular-season-mvp.sbk

He’s currently +6000 which is tied for 24th most likely to win among QBs. Trubisky is literally the next QB on the list at +8000 (tied with Foles). https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1973591

I’ve watched as many of his NFL games as you have. I rewatched his games against the Ravens and Cowboys today on gamepass. He was good against Dallas. He was horrible against Baltimore.

For sure. This year is his time to prove it. If he delivers, Buffalo is going to be a force in the AFC for a long time. He’s got guts, and there’s something there. That said, he’s got to get a lot better throwing the ball if he’s going to be anything more than a tease. He’s fun to watch as a neutral observer because one minute he looks like a guy who has no business on a football field, an the next minute he’s winning a game that he seemingly had no business winning. You know you’re going to say “wow” about 10 times a game with him. You just don’t know the context.

I am a Chiefs fan. I also follow the Bills. They’re a really good team with a QB who isn’t very good yet.

After 2 seasons QBa. 15-12 record, 56.3% completions, 30 TDs, 21 INTs, 5163 yards QBb. 15-11 record, 62.7%, 31 TDs, 19 INTs, 5416 yards Q) Which one do you want throwing the football for your team? A) Neither