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Explain again how he got less efficient, then. I’m confused.

You didn’t say he had a better second half. You said Minshew got less efficient and Josh got more efficient and specifically mentioned his last 3 games including that turd against Pittsburgh. I gave you both of their ratings for their last 3 games. Minshew didn’t get less efficient. His numbers dwarfed Josh’s during that same stretch.

So you think those teams laid down, but for some reason the Jags didn’t. It’s really amazing the contortion act people will go through in order to discount the fact that a late round rookie who was never groomed to be the starter threw for a higher completion percentage, more yards, more TDs, and fewer INTs than Allen. 1 yard TD runs define QB success. (Ever wonder if maybe the reason Daboll calls Josh’s number from the goal line so often when seemingly every other OC hands it to the RB is to pad the stats of the guy his bosses staked their careers on?)

Being an NFL player is first and foremost a career. Your teammates don’t pay your bills. “Next man up” sounds great until you’re the man who went down. I can’t blame anyone for getting theirs. Neither do their teammates 90% of the time. Hell, they’re usually being advised by the same agent. The Steelers lost too. They’d have made the playoffs with Bell and Brown.

This is patently untrue. Josh’s ratings in those games were 62.6, 65.2, and 102.7. Minshew’s ratings in his last 3 games were 102.8, 72.1, and 106.2.

Any truth to the rumors that he completed 59.9% of his passes for 299 yards (4 dropped passes)?

Brees isn’t in college. He was a senior 20 years ago. Talking about completion percentages 20 years ago as if they are analogous to completion percentages today is a dishonest comparison. Brees completed over 60% of his passes in college 20 years ago when the game was played differently. He was a very accurate passer in college, but comparing numbers from a guy who played in 1997 to a guy who played 2 years ago is a false equivalency.

Lot of posters here don’t want to admit it, but he was really good. Daniel Jones is another example. His team was horrible, but he showed a lot. Just to show how bad his team was, they went 1-2 in games were Jones put up these combined numbers: 13 TDs, 0 INTs, 982 yards passing. But he didn’t win enough games, so he sucks...

Using stats from a generation ago and comparing them to today’s numbers feels a little disingenuous to me. Does it get easier after a while once you get used to it?

Didn’t the Jaguars just get 21 TDs and 6 INTs from a rookie last season? How is that a mess? He’s locked in for 3 more years for about $2,000,000 total. Does he just have the wrong animal on his helmet?

Look at the Colts when Manning got hurt. They won the Suck for Luck sweepstakes and were a playoff team soon thereafter. Losing elite QBs sends teams into a tailspin. Losing elite WRs hurts, but Mahomes kept rolling when Tyreek was out. In his first ever game (week 17 at Denver in 2017), the Chiefs rested nearly all of their starters. Albert Wilson and Demetrius Harris combined for 13 catches and 220 yards against one of the best defenses in the league. WRs are gasoline, but QBs are the fire.

Like just about every other problem in the NFL, drafting a star QB and paying him a rookie contract is the solution. If Goff craters, the team will suck next season no matter what he’s being paid. If the Rams draft the next big thing to replace him, they can afford to keep him around on his contract for a while because their total outlay for the QB position will be manageable.

Clowney must be a lot smarter than he’s given credit for. I guess Nuk sucks too.

The returning QBs finished 28th, 29th, and 32nd last year in QBR. Unless you’re really high on Stidham, this group has the potential to be historically bad. (Yes I understand that people here are going to take issue with the rating system, but it’s widely used and removes subjectivity, so it’s good enough for this post.) https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2019&week=100&category=PASSING&opp=0&sort=10&qualified=1&sortOrder=0&page=1

I don’t think the current AFCE is exactly the pantheon of NFL QBs right now. Unless a couple guys make big jumps, it may be the worst collection of QB play a division has ever seen.

https://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/josh-allen/9962

Hunt got kicked off the team in the middle of a Super Bowl run for pushing a girl who got in his face. Tyreek didn’t do any of the stuff he was accused of. He has full custody of all of his kids. The woman who accused him (same woman both times) has no custody of them. She’s a gold digging psychopath.

The ball doesn’t have to move forward. Once the arm starts moving forward, that’s all that matters.

Show me a franchise NFL QB with college stats worse than Allen’s and I'll show you 10 who dwarf them. It’s hard to find good NFL QBs based only in college production, but it’s incredibly easy to predict QBs who won’t make it in the NFL based on college production. Literally nobody is complaining that Bills fans prefer Josh to Tua, and literally nobody is confusing the two of them for Lou Gehrig and Cal Ripken.

The guy probably doesn’t even post on message boards. He can’t possibly know more than us about QB play.

You love that chart, but nobody has said big stats in college mean NFL success. They’re simply a prerequisite in nearly very case historically. Having great eyesight doesn’t mean you can be an NFL QB, but being blind means you can’t.

It’s really close IMO. I will say that those who have not seen many Bills games do miss out by not seeing him in action. There’s no denying that he’s an exciting player who plays with a different style that is fun to watch. I don’t know what it’s worth in terms of team success, but it’s certainly endearing to fans. He’s kind of the opposite of Cousins and Prescott who put up numbers and win a lot of games but whose styles of play seem to lack a certain level of passion.

I’d probably go Miami, Buffalo, New York, New England. That said, any order is reasonable. I was watching the Cleveland game yesterday after the thread about it. There was a play deep in Browns territory where Allen scrambled and held the ball loosely. He got hit and fumbled. The ball bounced off a Brown, and a Lineman for the Bills fell on it a foot from the goal line. Josh ran a QB sneak on the next play for a TD. It was a terrible play by Josh, but it wound up being a TD on the stat sheet because he got incredibly lucky and was bailed out. So yes, it’s accurate to say that he had more rushing TDs than Lamar, but I think most neutral observers place very little importance on that fact because the 4 TD runs he had from the 1 yard line are more a function of Daboll calling QB sneaks as opposed to other teams who hand it to their RB in those situations. If those teams called for sneaks the way Daboll does, every QB in the league would have more rushing TDs.

You nailed it. Comp picks should be the natural result of having a deep roster. It shouldn’t be the goal. The teams who consistently get the most comp picks get them because they have a core of elite players around whom they build interchangeable, affordable pieces. When you’ve got your QB and your other cornerstone positions locked down, you become flexible enough to grab value in the draft rather than chase need. (Everyone preaches BPA, but very few are able to stick to it because they have holes to fill.) When you have religiously drafted BPA, your roster tends not to have holes in it. Fewer holes means fewer expensive FA acquisitions, and that leaves money to keep signing your elite talent. It also gives you the ability to let them walk when they get too expensive. Eventually, you wind up letting good players go because you have better and/or cheaper players ready to fill their spots. That leads to comp picks, and the cycle repeats itself. You want to get comp picks because you don’t have room for all of your talented players. You don’t want to cut players because you would prefer to grab a couple of later round picks.

Fitzpatrick > Brady