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I’m extremely confused about how a clearly made up tweet by elite NFL insider “AllenToKincaid” got this many pages.

You just answered your own question of “why were 49% of his yards YAC?” A player that runs a 4 yard route and gets 4 yards of YAC will have 50% of their yards be YAC. A player that runs an 11 yard route and gets 4 yards of YAC will have less than 30% of their yards be YAC. But the YAC is the same. That’s why I posted the YAC/reception, not Y/R. So Kincaid was 18th among TE’s as a rookie. That’s solid. Room for improvement though.

He was 18th among TE’s in YAC/reception. 84th among all eligible NFL players.

Waddle hurt a lot last year. Questionable if they are gonna pay him what his market would dictate. a smart team would take a WR. But no one ever accused the Dolphins of being smart.

Half of 2 is 1.

It’s the BEST rule. Maximum chaos.

There’s about 2 minutes of difference between that play and no time left. It would have been probably impossible to score with no time left. I would’ve taken our chances up 4 with 30 seconds left. IMO the 100% wrong call was kicking the FG. Folks may disagree but tie game with 2 min left with Mahomes is basically a loss. I would’ve put the ball in Josh’s hands on 4th and 9 and won or lost with him. Except for the game-saving forced fumble by the Dolphins legend.

It also would’ve been a classic case of scoring too fast. Even if we convert that TD, we give Mahomes enough time to matriculate and rip our hearts out anyway. And guess who wouldn’t leave us 2 minutes to score again and win the game. Mahomes.

We see this on TBD. In 2020, it was “we can win multiple Superbowls with Josh and be in the mix every year.” It’s unfortunately turned into “just one for the love of God.”

You were 1 TD away from losing and gave me 4 to 1 odds. I’d take it again. If Knox didn’t get hurt, and Dorsey doesn’t get fired, who knows?

Yeah well, you were pretty sure I pledged to never come back to TBD a minute ago, so what you’re pretty sure about means quite little.

Trent Murphy redux

Of course I did. Appreciate the fandom, though.

50% odds in a field of 32 is incredible, FYI.

Yeah folks really hate on Aikman far too much. If I was coaching the SB tomorrow, and I had prime Aikman, Kelly or Marino as my choice of QB, I'd take Aikman for sure. Just like we'd all take Tom Brady over the field. Sometimes, there are just guys who get it done.

I'm sorry that you feel it was "ad hominem." I told you from the jump that I found "another year/offseason, player will be better" to be a paper-thin argument that you could say about every NFL player in the history of the NFL, good and bad, and in your rebuttal you made it about 100 times. What else can I say? Make no mistake, I expect the Bills to win the AFCE, make the postseason and at least finish around where they have the past 3 seasons. Because McD is a good coach and Allen is a great QB. That's why it doesn't really matter to me if the Bills are a little worse from an overall talent perspective than they were last year. They are definitely worse from an overall talent perspective than the 2020 version where Tre White was still an All-Pro, Hyde and Poyer were in their primes, our bargain bin OL guys played at a high level etc. Players get old or injured. Teams have to reload their talent a bit through their franchise QB's (hopefully) 15 year career. Every Pats team during their dynasty wasn't always better than the previous iteration. They had years where their defense was elite, where it sucked, and where it was elite again. They had years where Brady was throwing to guys who were out of the league in two years, and years where he was breaking single passing records throwing to HoFers. It happens. FWIW, I think this discussion could be made moot with a killer draft, which is mostly luck anyway. Beane finds some late round high quality starters and some rookie of the year candidates, and at the end of 2024, we may all agree the team was actually much better. So we can both hope this our Seahawks 2010 draft. One last point I’ll add is that being the most talented version of your team doesn’t seem to matter all that much. This Chiefs team this year was probably less talented than their 2021 team. Yet they won the SB this year and lost to the Bengals that year. The 2019 Pats were probably one of the worst Pats team in their dynasty. They won the title, where the perfect season Uber talented team obviously lost to the Giants. Sure, in an ideal world, being the most talented team would be nice. But football is unpredictable, that’s why we all go nuts over it. So don’t stress so much @transplantbillsfan

You must be confusing me with someone far more dramatic There’s exactly zero non-all time great QB’s that have won 3 or more Superbowls.

Monken was the OC on back to back national Champion Georgia…. What was Carolina’s offensive DVOA in 2021? You know, the year he got fired? More “players improving” talk. I think we all know what this means. “Lamar in year two in Monken’s system is bound to get better, he’s a year older and more experienced, he’s just entering his prime” Yawn. More players improving talk. Even brought out the jugs machine. The Bills are apparently the only team that has one. Ravens must have ran out of cash building the Ray Lewis statue. Yes, Mack Hollins has replaced our WR4 role. We don’t have a WR2. So it’s not better, yet. I concede it very well could be after the draft. I’m fairly confident Kincaid will be better. I’m not sure Knox will be better. Morris is a nothing player. But it’s still player improving talk. If Edwards was close to as good as McGovern, he probably would’ve competed for the job. Instead, he took backup money here after starting in LA. He’s clearly not. Dawkins is another year older and while he had a great year last year, he has been kinda up and downish (still a very quality LT). Spencer Brown had the best year of his career last year, hopefully he duplicates it but I’m not expecting him to suddenly be the best RT in football. Torrence we already addressed. Again, player improvement talk. Yes, I addressed the additions/losses to the group because that’s usually how you evaluate teams in the NFL. When you lose a starter and shuffle two positions, that’s what you talk about. AGAIN, every team has rookies or young OL players they expect to be better next year. Every team can say this. Um, you’re the one arguing that Von needed two years to return to form. Do we even have medicals on Milano? We know there was a fracture but I thought there was something flittering around about ligament/knee damage. I thought same to better was cautiously optimistic, personally. Seriously. I get that you have this idea in your head that the off-season magically turns players into different players than they’ve been their whole careers, but it’s just not true. Douglas is an above average starter in the NFL. He played really good last year. I expect him to be really good this year. I don’t think he’s coming into the season at 30 years old turning up another level because of…. Babich teaching him cover 3 zone concepts in the Bills training facility for 2 weeks. I tend to agree about McD making it work with CB’s but part of that was having an All Pro S duo. It’s a lot easier to hide Levi Wallace or EJ Gaines when you have Tre, Poyer and Hyde on the backend as well. He also hasn’t made Elam work yet, which happens. Sometimes players just suck. Like Elam. I think Rapp is fine. Damar Hamlin was a football disaster in 2022 so McD didn’t exactly make chicken salad with him in the past. This position group is worse, everyone agrees. So moving on. Neal was, again, a notable departure. Everyone else is the same. In your world, that means it’s better. In reality, it doesn’t. Bass was shaky last year. There was not, IIRC, any word on if he was dealing with an injury. Maybe he was. Maybe he just sucks now. Dan Carpenter sucked, then had an excellent run, then sucked. It happens. Like I emphasized before, you think “off-season = better player.” Tyrod gets another off-season with Greg Roman, he’s sure to improve. Oh wait, no. We all can be wrong sometimes, but you should try to learn from those mistakes.

There’s a lot more that goes into being a great QB than just being a great passer. Rodgers is a terrible leader. He’s closer to Jay Cutler IRT leadership with better arm talent and prefers to protect his ungodly TD/INT ratio over winning football games. I guess I shouldn’t be so harsh to our future VP.

Sure. COACHING - questionable. I like Joe Brady, but he was an abject failure before on admittedly really bad Panthers teams. I think with this team he has a chance to fix his earlier mistakes. No opinion on the new hires for position coaches, they come and go in the NFL. As far as new DC, Babich has never called plays, right? That has just as much chance of failure as it does success. We could very easily see the “McD took over playcalling duties” week 4 article. QB - the same. Josh is still Josh. Trubisky over Kyle Allen is like being covered in ***** but having clean shoes. RB - the same. James Cook and Ty Johnson. WR - pending draft. I like the Curtis Samuel signing a lot, but if the Bills don’t get a good trait WR in the draft, there’s still a gaping hole in the core. I was a big Davis critic, but he is an NFL boundary WR. We don’t have one on the roster currently. TE - SAME TO BETTER. Kincaid, Knox and Quinton Morris. Maybe Brady uses them to be more productive, and Kincaid hopefully continues to improve. OL - worse. Downgrade at LG, switched our FA acquisition LG to C where he never really played in the NFL. The Cowboys shuffled their IOL a lot when he was there and he never stuck at center. I’m fairly confident he won’t be as good of a C as Morse. How much that matters is a different question. DL - same to worse. Von another year older. Daquan another year older. AJE back. The JAGs will continue to JAG. LB - same to better. Healthy Milano, healthy Bernard in year two of the green dot. Dodson was fine but I don’t think he’s gonna be missed. CB - same to worse. Douglas, Benford, TJ are penciled into the big three, but depth is a major loss with Dane and Tre gone. Has Benford ever played a full season? We are a twisted ankle from Elam starting. Yikes. S - worse. This is kinda obvious. Micah and Poyer are shells of their former selves and we’re still much better than the stuff they have now. Maybe McD can make lightning strike again and turn some JAGs into All-Pros again. ST - worse. I hate ST anyway, but Siran Neal was good at it. So worse, even though I don’t care.

That’s probably true. like those sad Dolphins fans that think Marino is equal if not better than those guys as well.

I think we all put a little weight on it. Like you said, it doesn’t make Dilfer better than Marino but for the upper echelon of the upper echelon, it does matter, even if it’s just a little bit. QB rankings are always so fun to talk about. I’m like a moth to the flame, what can I say?

Unironically, he might be, yes. Rodgers has the regular season. Zero question. Aikman was absolutely clutch in the postseason and played much better in the postseason than his mediocre regular seasons. Hard to find a great stat to encapsulate this via different eras, but Rodgers passer rating dropped 2 points from regular season to postseason play. Aikman’s went up by 7. I kinda lean towards Aikman being an Eli type QB who got hot but I think there’s an argument there. Aikman is certainly far better than a lot of guys in his era, including Kelly.

I don’t believe that you believe that. Rank these 3 QB’s. Brady, Mahomes, Marino.

Kelly waited a bit longer to choke. 2 TD’s and 7 picks in four Superbowls? Woof.