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I don’t disagree that sitting for a bit can be helpful. I do disagree with the philosophy of “get this guy good enough.” That’s legitimately worse. If Wilson or Darnold sit for a season then get 3 seasons starting after that and are just “okay” QB’s, you aren’t going anywhere anyway. The cream rises to the top. Josh could’ve sat, he could’ve started week one, it wouldn’t matter, he’d still be what he is today. Same with Burrow. Same with Lamar. Same with Mahomes. Same with Stafford. I firmly believe that. I would also disagree that they always throw them to the fire. Sanchez was game managing hard when he got drafted. He still sucked. He was playing Mac Jones ball, which got them more success than they deserved. And it’s the same thing that happened to Mac.

Bass is absolutely slumping. That’s why it’s the perfect time to adjust to give him an edge. I disagree that they have worked it out. I think they kick from where they kick because that’s where they kick from, point blank. You are absolutely be right that adjusting kicking distance may actually be worse. But if you adjust the mechanics, maybe you could actually be better. Better than say, the other 31 teams who just think “sign this guy he kick good doing it the way we always do it .”

Zach Wilson was never a good QB. That’s where you’re wrong lol. Aaron Rodgers wasn’t bad last year. He got hurt. There is a significant difference between getting hurt and being garbage. Wilson is garbage. Just like Darnold was garbage. Lots of folks like you thought Sammy boy was just being held back by the Jets. They worked for the Panthers and traded for Sam for a second round pick. They are begging for change on the freeway now. Sam and Zach would look bad behind the Bills OL in 2021 and 2022. Do you know why Josh was still amazing those years? Because he’s a MUCH BETTER QB. It has nothing to do with Brandon Beane’s leadership in the FO. Zero, zilch, nada.

Now you're talking. There were 17 blocked kicks last year. Out of 1060 total FGA. That's about 1%. Worrying about blocks is foolish. Statistically, that's an extreme improbability.

That’s where we agree

I’m sorry but I disagree. Lamar as a 2 time MVP getter is pretty much a lock for HoF. I think Allen and Lamar will both be in there.

Meh, he had a passer rating of 97 in SF. Josh Allen’s career passer rating is 92. He was playing well above his skis.

I’m not sure anyone’s done the math. Um, you know this is the same league that didn’t figure out it was smart to go for it on 4th downs sometimes for like 80 years, right? Yeah, I’m thinking it’s possible they are collectively a low ingenuity group that does a lot of things “because that’s the way it’s always been done.” NFL teams watched college players run the read option to great success for like 20 years. Folks like you laughed when it was brought up as something NFL teams could try. “There’s good reasons why they don’t run read option in the NFL,” you cried. Now, of course, just about every team has at least a read option play in their playbook.

Tom Brady would’ve still been a great QB. Matt Stafford would’ve been a great QB. Regardless of who drafted them or where they played. EJ would’ve sucked everywhere. Maybe the finer details of their careers change a bit, but they would’ve been great. This is the phenomenon I like to call “drought brain.” Somehow, a collective of Bills fans believe it’s not mostly just the QB. They believed it during the drought because they couldn’t just admit all our QB’s sucked and now they have to continue to believe it for god knows why. They think the reason the Pats made the playoffs every year, and the Bills didn’t was somehow because the Pats organization was great and the Bills just weren’t developing QB’s right. It wasn’t that Brady was great and Trent and Tyrod and JP and EJ sucked. Even when Brady left NE and they turned into a total dumpster fire, with the exact same HC and FO and Brady won a ring in Tampa immediately, they refuse to believe their eyes. I guess somehow the Bills turned into a superstar organization overnight along with the Bucs and BB and NE just forgot how to do it? Even when we cruise to division titles and playoff berths every year and we have far and away the best QB in the division, it can’t just be that we have a great QB. Bizarre to say the least. You’d have to willfully ignore like the entire last 20 years of the NFL to still hold these opinions. Nothing matters until the Bills get the QB, right? Now we got the QB and every team in division doesn’t and all the sudden the QB doesn’t matter lol. Ultimately, as this is a massive tangent, you seem to be operating under the assumption that the first overall pick shouldn’t just get paid way more than everybody, but they should also be encouraged to go to good teams so they can win a Super Bowl? Why? What has Caleb Williams done to deserve to go to a good team to win a Super Bowl? What has he done that makes him more deserving than Allen or Burrow or Lamar? The answer: nothing. Being good in college doesn’t mean you deserve to go to a great organization that’s a QB away from making postseason runs. You go where you’re selected and if you get selected first, you make the most money. That’s how it goes.

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He’s 15-3 in the playoffs, with two losses to Brady. I would argue pretty much everyone seems to have a problem with the big homie.

This is not a refutation. Burrow DID get hurt and the Bengals WOULD have probably gotten a top 3 pick in your system. So again, they would almost certainly take advantage of a bad team that needs to take a shot on a QB. Answer my question. What Pats team does Drake Maye want to go to? The Pats got the greatest QB of all time in the sixth round. They got lucky. Most great QBs go far higher than that.!Do you think they thought Brady was going to be that guy when they passed on him 5 times in the same draft?

Why would the Bengals not trade the #2 overall pick for 3 firsts and a second from a team with a bleak future like the Pats? How does that help “reward” the top QB prospects? There are two ways to get top prospects in the NFL draft. Lose a lot, or trade a lot of future picks (thus doubling down on a potentially losing proposition). Your plan would eliminate the first option and thus bad teams would be even WORSE more often than not. Because they would be FORCED to trade a bunch of picks that could potentially make their team better in order to have a shot at a top QB prospect. It would effectively cripple most bad organizations in perpetuity. Your system even theoretically does not hold up to scrutiny, let alone in practice. It wouldn’t work and it would be counterproductive to “rewarding the top prospects” entirely. Would Drake Maye rather go to the 2024 Pats as is, or the 2024 Pats that had to trade pick 14, their 2025 first and second and 2026 second? Everyone knows the answer. Dropping you down to -1/10.

None of the other players accounting for 50+ TDs had to play Patty.

Without injury Joe Burrows and the Bengals in all likelihood would be drafting near the end of the 1st round. Bad example IMO. Without being the worst team in the NFL, they wouldn't have Joe Burrow at all!. Trevor Lawrence almost makes my argument for me IMO. To good to be watching the playoffs instead of participating IMO. 9 - 8 record doesn't get the job done. They made the playoffs, and won a game against Herbert (another top 10 QB drafted on a bad team) his second season, and only missed the playoffs this season because he got hurt. In any case, your plan still wouldn't work. What would happen is a team with a franchise QB that barely missed the playoffs (Bengals/Jags last season for example) would get a top 3 pick, and they would trade it for multiple first rounders to a really bad team without a franchise QB. So what you'd really be doing is sending a prospect like Caleb or Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye to a bad team made even worse with depleted draft capital in the future. The system works. Your system does not.

Is there an epidemic of blocked kicks in the NFL that I'm not aware of?

Your opinion is wrong. Jags record 3 seasons before picking Lawrence: 5-11 6-10 1-15 Jags record since picking Lawrence: 3-14 9-8 9-8 Yes Urban Meyer sucked as a coach. Yes Doug Pederson is better. But the Jags are better now than the garbage they were before probably 90% because of Lawrence. Hell, he had the team 66% better despite worse coaching. Bengals record 3 seasons before picking Burrow: 7-9 6-10 2-14 Bengals record since picking Burrow: 4-11 (Burrow hurt) 10-7 12-4 9-8 (Burrow hurt) Did Zach Taylor wake up and learn how to coach after the 2-14 season? Or do we think maybe Burrow by himself is worth about 8 wins? We could do this all day with the top QB's drafted. It's obvious. Sure, some of the QB's bust. Some folks even argue that the teams "ruined" the players. But they really don't. McVay made Goff look better than what he is. Jeff Fisher obviously made him look worse. But Goff is who Goff is, which is a good starter in the NFL, but not in the upper echelon. He never will be. Justin Fields will almost certainly never be good, and probably never would have been good. He may have looked better than what he was in Chicago with awesome coaching, but he wouldn't have been good. Mac Jones will never be good. He was made to look better than he was in 2021 with a team built around his strengths, but you can only hide a bad QB for long. And now we all know he sucks. Because he sucks. Brock Purdy is decent. But his system makes him look great. Just like the system made Jimmy G look great, when he wasn't. It doesn't make them better players. They are who they are. No matter how great Brock looks up 30 against a bad team with Shanahan, he's still closer to Mac Jones than Josh Allen. The game changers at QB, the guys who can turn around a franchise, sometimes despite bad coaching or management, are by and large picked in the top 10. Therefore, it makes total sense that the bad teams that may or may not have bad coaching/management get first crack at them. This is the whole point of the draft. Why should a team like the Bengals who lost their superstar QB to injury and barely missed the playoffs get that shot instead? It makes no sense.

Yeah, you’re wrong. The idea of parity is what gets fans buying tickets for crappy teams. It’s far worse for the league if crappy teams are crappy in perpetuity without the hope of getting a top flight player, namely QB. Your idea takes that all away, just so the #1 pick gets to go to a better team AND make $40M on their first contract. Who cares? The #1 pick already makes the most money. Why turn the NFL into college football where the same 3 or 4 teams are the best for 20 years? And yes, 1000% dynasties rising and falling helps the league. Because the league is a zero sum game. Every year a team wins 13 games, that means 13 teams are losing. Look how many Jags games are empty nowadays that they got Trevor. There’s your answer to what’s “better for the league.”

Every player that gets drafted to any team and you ask, “do they win a championship,” the answer will always be probably not. Why do you think it would be better for the league if NE got the first overall pick in Trevor Lawrence and the pitiful Jags got Mac Jones?

No championship is your definition of “destined for failure?” So drafting Josh Allen was a failure, I suppose.

Of what? Stafford took over on a terrible team (0-16) and led them to a better win total every single year he started there. He also led them to 3 playoff appearances and 5 seasons with a winning record, and ultimately trading him got them to the NFCCG last season. So what is he a good example of?

Fleeing the scene of a car accident is a criminal offense.

A terrible idea. A good to great QB can turn a bad franchise into a good one. See: The Bills. The NFL wants the bad teams to eventually be good. Otherwise folks stop watching. You also can’t say we’re rewarding bad teams for failure and in the same breath argue that it’s not a reward because they are bad teams and destined for failure. Pick a lane. 0/10

I too write paragraphs about things I’m not bothered by.

Do you really think that the kicking game is mathematically optimized?