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The object is to win, not compile stats. Now let me tell you all about Shakir’s efficiency stats being thrown to as WR3.

Who?

Correct. Do they have a guy on the roster who has ever been 32nd or better in receiving yards ever in their career? You believe in results, show me the results, not hopes and prayers. If the Bills trade for a good WR, I will obviously complain less about their WR’s being really bad. It hasn’t happened. And probably won’t happen.

I have said for months that the 2020-2023 Bills are going to remembered like the 2012-2015 Colts. a team that did not do enough to help their QB begging them to win a Super Bowl.

Buddy, they guys that have resulted in the most rings in your OP, Kelce and Gronk, have 7 SB’s between them. And they are not only HoF TE’s, they are arguably the 2 best TE’s in NFL history, playing with arguably the two best QB’s in NFL history. Ward and Graham are legitimate afterthoughts compared to those two. “All we need is a top 2 TE of all time combined with a top 2 QB of all time to offset our garbage WR’s” is not a really good plan lmao. And an even worse justification for a crappy plan. Talk about silly lol. The 2024 Buffalo football Bills.

If he’s a HoF TE, then I have much less concern about the Bills receiving group. Statistically, it’s not likely though.

How many teams win without a top 32 receiver?

Do you think he’s a HoF TE? I mean all this is well and good about “physical” WR’s but Aiyuk isn’t particularly physical IMO. Samuel you can make an argument I suppose but he plays much bigger than he is. And sure, the Niners lost, but imo it wasn’t because of their WR’s.

What does Hines Ward have to do with Jimmy Graham? Yes, two HoF TE paired with 2 HoF QB’s won a bunch of titles. Who is our HoF TE? Kincaid? Knox?

But that’s wrong and that won’t be what happens. Even with Waddles big money extension, he is going to cost $9M against the cap this season and $19M against the cap next season. Tua’s cap hit in 2024 is $23M. If they extend him after the season, his total dollars will be high, but he will probably have a SMALLER cap hit in 2025 compared to 2024. Picking and choosing when you use the big contract numbers or the cap hits is fallacious. I’m not sitting here saying this is a great move for Miami. If I was their GM, I would’ve probably drafted some cheap WR replacements for Waddle and either let him walk or traded him/Hill in 25.

They just kicked the cap hit can down the road. They were still highly paid.

They scored the 2nd most points in the league last year and were first in yards with, in your words, the wrong QB. How is that not worth every penny?

I thought I had seen it all, but a topic about Jaylen Waddle’s contract resulting in a post like this on page 2 is probably a new TBD record. This off-season is feeling a lot like peak drought days when the Bills would never draft a QB high and we had folks talking about how you don’t need to draft a QB in the first round, that it’s something that the terrible teams do, that Tom Brady was a 6th round pick etc etc. Havent seen this much whistling past the graveyard in a while.

Most elite TBD post I’ve read in a while.

I’m not part of any group. I don’t think the 2023 receiving group was good enough. I think there’s a distinct chance that the 2024 group is worse. I don’t like that. Yeah, I’ve already decided. Shakir is going into year 3. The chance of him turning into Diggs or AB 2.0 is probably pretty low. Samuel is a 7 year vet. He is who he is. Coleman is a relative unknown but I really don’t like his ceiling. He’s the “if he’s your #1, you don’t have a #1,” type player. I could be wrong. But I doubt it. You doubt it too I think, because you think WR will be a high priority again next year ALREADY. How can you argue this group is anything other than not good enough when you think replacing some of them is our biggest priority in 2025 lol

Brother, the post I was responding to was claiming the 2023 Bills was the best offensive grouping Josh has played with lol. I think you are arguing with the wrong person.

I agree that Diggs and Davis weren’t good enough. that’s why I REALLY don’t agree with trotting out a worse group this year lol.

Somehow it wasn’t as difficult the 3 years before. Global cooling?

This is very funny because this is evidence it’s more about Allen running than the OC resulting in wins. I don’t think they are gonna start slow. Huh

I would argue he needed to be Superman last year. Go look at the anomalies in the passing game.

I think that had a lot to do with Josh rushing 9 times a game. I’m not sure that’s a sustainable season long pace to win a Super Bowl, personally. Which I care a lot more about. I’m not worried about them starting slow. I’m worried about forcing Allen to be Superman from the jump.

Was that the Chiefs plan though? They have drafted Worthy, Moore, Rice in the last 3 years. Signed Juju, Brown, MVS etc. Traded for Toney. Traded for Hardman. I’d argue the Chiefs WR room the last two seasons did not go according to plan, at all. They failed to execute their plan. Intentionally copying the result of an execution failure is certainly one strategy lol.

That’s all well and good, but do you think it’s reasonable to say that Shakir is going to continue to be a rising star because he was pretty good under Brady post Denver, and also ignore that Josh Allen was a much worse passer under Brady post Denver? Like I said, I’m not killing Brady because I agree it’s not really reasonable to expect a whole new offense midseason. But is there any concern there at all? Josh was basically posting 2018/2019 numbers during that stretch.

That’s not really production though. I think there’s a good chance that dollar for dollar Keon Coleman does more for less money than Diggs did in 2023 but that’s really easy. If he has a $2M cap hit, that means he’d have to hit like 171 yards on the season to outproduce Diggs from a yards/dollars ratio. If he hits 200 yards, I certainly won’t say he’s wildly out producing Diggs lol. If Coleman has a more productive 2024 than Diggs did in 2023 I would be wildly surprised and it would be awesome. If he has an 800 yard season, I don’t think I’m gonna say he outproduced Diggs 400%.