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1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
I don’t see how this phrase is relevant to this discussion.
Because you said this:
3 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:If the Rams lose tonight, that’s the reason not to copy their approach exactly. I am all for trading our first round pick for a pass rusher. After that I’m not sure how much more I want to emulate the Rams style if they lose.
The Rams have gone to the Super Bowl twice in the last 4 years. Win or lose, their system gave them a shot to win the big one.
We have not gotten to a single Super Bowl in 30 years. Our system has not.
My favorite trope on TBD is acting like all these other team's strategies don't work because they didn't necessarily win a Super Bowl, unlike our strategy which.... also hasn't produced a Super Bowl.
Extremely funny.
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1 hour ago, aristocrat said:
We gonna give Rousseau a chance?
We start two DE’s.
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1 minute ago, bobobonators said:
They made one super bowl on the back of great draft picks.
They made a second super bowl on the back of a trade for a QB, where all the stars aligned, and that happens maybe once every 20yrs in the NFL.
Also, McVay has a lot to do with their success. All i'm saying is that what the Rams have done is not necessarily a blueprint that other teams should or even can follow.
Well, they traded a bunch of picks for Goff… I ultimately agree with you. But there is a lesson to be learned and that lesson is the name of the game is acquiring stars because stars win Super Bowls. Not draft picks, not cap space, not trying to be a 10 win team in 2026.
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1 minute ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:
If the Rams lose tonight, that’s the reason not to copy their approach exactly. I am all for trading our first round pick for a pass rusher. After that I’m not sure how much more I want to emulate the Rams style if they lose.
Bro, you can’t play if you’re afraid to lose.
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1 hour ago, bobobonators said:
I feel this narrative is getting kind of old.
The Rams made their first super bowl under McVay based off amazing draft picks (many of which had already been drafted), not FA, and a fresh perspective from their young HC. They drafted Cooper Kupp, they drafted Goff, they drafted Tyler Higbee, they drafted Gurley, and they drafted Donald (off the top of my head).
This second super bowl rendition of the Rams is more of a mercenary approach, b/c if you look at the draft history under McVay, there are many more misses than hits. They really haven't drafted well since he's been there. But the entire key in all this was the ability to trade for Stafford. How many times is a player like Stafford available for a trade? All the Ramsey's, OBJ's and Von Miller's in the world would've meant squat without the ability to trade for Stafford. And it was a huge gamble, b/c as we saw multiple times this year, Stafford still almost blew it for them. Where would the Rams be right now without their ability to trade for Stafford? Likely not the super bowl.
The Rams have been able to make it work but i'm not sure how their approach can be applied to other teams around the league. There aren't many Stafford-type QB's available for trade every season. If the Rams hadn't been able to trade for Stafford they'd probably be looking at another 9-7/10-6 season, with an early exit in the playoffs, all while being in cap hell.
The approach the Chiefs and even Bills have taken is much more sustainable in my opinion. You have to hit on some key draft picks and supplement them with mid-tier veteran FA signings. In my opinion it creates an atmosphere where success can last 10+years, whereas the Rams may be on the brink of collapse within 1-2yrs. Or who knows, maybe they'll trade for Josh Allen in 2 years.
The Chiefs traded a second round pick for a pass rusher and gave him a monster contract before the won the Super Bowl.
Furthermore, the Rams haven’t had a first round pick since 2016. Every year y’all say they are on the brink of being done, except McVay keeps winning. He has the hugest win percentage in the NFL.
will the chickens come home to roost at some point? Sure, they will have a down year eventually. But they have been a great team for over 5 years now, made 2 Super Bowls, and have the winningest coach in the NFL.
Furthermore, we just had an early exit from the playoffs. So if they couldn’t have traded picks for difference-makers, they’d be the Bills? You made my point for me looooool
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10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
That's a lesson that teams with young dominant quarterbacks should in no way learn. Teams with Matt Stafford, maybe. Teams with Josh Allen, no.
I bet the Chiefs regret trading for Frank Clark and pushing their cap to the limit. Oh, wait, no. They got a SuperBowl out of it.
8 hours ago, Magox said:As great as he talent as he is, Beane values availability and Hunter has only played in 7 games the past two years.
AJ Epenesa has been super available, very easy to stay healthy in street clothes.
6 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:Check back with my after the SB and I will let you know.
We haven’t played in a Super Bowl in 30 years. Rams have gone to 2 in the last four. No reason to wait.
5 hours ago, Utah John said:The Rams chose to go all-in for this year. Going forward they'll struggle to keep their team together.
Beane has been conscientiously working to build an enduring top-notch team, one that will be strong year after year, by NOT chasing high-cost performers that distort the payscale of the players under the salary cap.
Are good players better than picks? Well, good players on their rookie contracts are a hell of a lot cheaper than veterans, and that matters if the goal is to have a strong, complete team.
If the Rams win the SB, they'll look smart for having made the choices they did. But they almost didn't make it, which would make them look foolish for making the same choices. And whether the Rams win the 2021 SB, it's a really likely outcome that the 2024 Bills will be better than the 2024 Rams.
Winning the Super Bowl is the goal. Winning a playoff game in 2024 is not.
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48 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
what picks are they giving up for him?
Who cares? Have the Rams not taught you that good players are better than picks?
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21 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:
This would be the reason.
If he wins tomorrow, he can say...."Well Rams, I got you that Super Bowl championship you wanted. It's been great! See ya!"
Would you take a totally bleak 4 years for a Super Bowl win?
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11 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:
Even a fool like Keyshawn(He may say he's not, but he is) can see that. Though he really didn't come around on Josh until after the Pats*** game in the playoffs this year.
To be honest he started saying nice things about Josh after the Pats*** game in the playoffs, but that's the thing it had to take a near perfect game in the playoffs against the #2 ranked defense to start changing his mind. By the time the game against the Chiefs was over he was fully on board.
He has absolutely no insight, he just reacts to things after the fact.
He almost certainly just doesn’t watch all the games bro
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46 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:
Maybe it’s the way I remember watching those games… Marino was like a surgeon and dang did it hurt when he operated.
Time has been kind to Marino for that exact reason. You also played him twice a year.
Time will be kind to Aaron. He will be regarded as a champion, a multiple MVP/AllPro etc etc. Bears and Vikings fans will always remember how much he owned them over 15 season, how unstoppable he was.
Honestly, the room in the top 5 grows smaller with every year. I’m someone who WOULD have Manning and Brady obviously. Montana because I know him. Unitas, Staubach are just names of guys I didn’t watch play.
Rodgers has it all. You just have to win one. Very few win one let alone multiple.
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17 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:
That be a fun one to do… QB be the toughest to decide…I see a lot of biased based on the uniform the person cheers for.. for me
QB — Brady, Montana, Kelly…
RB — Barry Sanders, Sweetness, Curtis Martin
WR — Moss, Rice, Fitzgerald
TE — Gronk, Gates, Tony G.
those mine and for QB I’d take Mahomes, and Big Ben over Rogers
I did:
Brady, Manning, Montana, Graham, Marino.
I also have Elway, starbauck, and Unitas ahead of him.
12 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:Ok a friend of mine (a huge Rogers fan) and I are debating on how great Rogers is. He states he is top 5 all time. I say he is maybe top 10 and that his choking in playoff games isn’t helping him.
he points to his playoff stats 5894 yards 22 TD and 13 INT in 21 games.
I say that’s nice but just look at the last two years. In 2020 he had 3rd and Goal from the 5 and could have easily run it in and he throws it into double coverage. This year he barely gets 10 points on the 49ers, and worse fails to get even one first down deep in his own end which lead to a punt block.
I say the lack of being clutch keeps him out of the top 5.
Lol talk about lack of clutch. Aaron Rodgers is Marino if Marino won a Superbowl.
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12 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:
Ok a friend of mine (a huge Rogers fan) and I are debating on how great Rogers is. He states he is top 5 all time. I say he is maybe top 10 and that his choking in playoff games isn’t helping him.
he points to his playoff stats 5894 yards 22 TD and 13 INT in 21 games.
I say that’s nice but just look at the last two years. In 2020 he had 3rd and Goal from the 5 and could have easily run it in and he throws it into double coverage. This year he barely gets 10 points on the 49ers, and worse fails to get even one first down deep in his own end which lead to a punt block.
I say the lack of being clutch keeps him out of the top 5.
You need to post your top 5 if you're going to claim he's not top 5.
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7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Yes but I meant based on what we know now. Not how you were feeling before you saw this team in the playoffs.
But I’m saying that based on what we know nowThis was a discussion of the differences of the regular season statistics.
We all agree the 2021 Bills absolutely played better than the 2020 version in the postseason.
But in the regular season, that 2020 team was HOT, particularly at the end of the season. They were blowing teams out. The 2021 team was a lot more inconsistent, even towards the end. The numbers bear all of this out.
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Just now, JaCrispy said:
Are you kidding?!?!? Daboll has seen Edmunds play, up close...he don’t want none of that...🤣🤣🤣
We gotta find a ‘sucker’ team...😉
Think of all the confidence Edmunds in coverage will give Daniel Jones in practice though.
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Nakobe Dean and send Edmunds to NY for Bradberry and Barkley.
Then trade 2 seconds for Danielle Hunter and baby you got a stew going.
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56 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
But I didn’t say heading into the postseason, I think that’s the disconnect here. I said what team you would take to win a game right now if we could be back in the playoffs. I’ll take the one that we just witnessed in these playoffs hands down.You legitimately never said anything close to this.
18 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Still disagree. Our OL was an issue until it was finally healthy and stabilized, especially when Bates entered the starting lineup.
Down the stretch and playoffs this offense was definitely better.
I’ll take the team that entered the playoffs THIS year over LAST years team 100% of the time. And you know you would too if you’re being honest about it.
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
You said "the entered the playoffs" that means heading in. This year's team played better in the playoffs. That has never been disputed. Certainly not by me and I don't believe by @FireChans either.
They are trying to drag me unfairly!
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Youre the one trying to clout chase while lamping and @ me, so yeah, this post is about as ridiculous as your intent.1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:Yeah, I guess we are talking about you a bit.
There's a guy down the street who I generally talk about dog dirt a lot with, because there's one area where we see a lot of it.
53 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:What can I say, great minds think alike...and different than yours...
The boys love me
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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Nothing here is "that serious", but since your response suggests I was 🎯, I respectfully suggest you re-visit what being a fan means to you
It means rooting for the laundry, but also trying to be as objective as possible.
Daboll oversaw the second and third best offenses in the NFL. He was a super hot head coaching candidate for 2 offseason. Sorry for thinking that’s pretty good and that he shouldn’t be fired. And not being sure that Ken Dorsey is going to be way better than that.
7 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:Correct. Too sad and pitiful to be taken seriously.
Your answer is precisely the sort of thing that pwned people say.
6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:He loves crusades...
Do you guys have a meeting where you talk about me? You three are always showing up at the exact same time. @Alphadawg7 can you invite me to the group chat bro?
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Just now, Alphadawg7 said:
You’re in here desperately trying to sell this agenda that last years team was better in regular season while admitting this post seasons team was definitely better.The ridiculousness of that is astounding even for you. I mean who cares about splitting hairs over regular season? You do because you can’t do it over the post season, yet the only thing that matters is the post season. And this years post season team was dominant while last years was not.
Love that you and everyone were whining we squandered a SB this year while last years team was out classed and didn’t belong in the SB. Then have audacity to try and get some LAMP points about splitting hairs over a regular season comparison? Lmao, that’s weak even for you.
When did I whine we squandered a SB this year?
Take ur strawman out to the corn field bro.
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Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I'm having trouble interpreting this, but it sounds like the OP doesn't like Daboll, and you think the offense under Dorsey is going to be worse and intend to rub it in on another fan.
Is that interpretation correct?
It's kind of unbelieveable that an alleged Bills fan would come to a Bills board and discuss such an intention.
Do I have it mixed?
It’s not that serious bro.
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Just now, Thurman#1 said:
No.
You can't say those stats are worse therefore he was worse.
You can say something along the lines of "in terms of completion percentage, TD%, INT% and YPA, he had a worse year." And myself, I'd agree it was a worse year.
But not by a whole lot. An awful lot of how good he was last year was about how surprising he was and how surprised other teams were. They had no idea how to deal with him, none. This year they knew who he was and had some good ideas on how to stop him.
More, defenses finally figured out how to begin stopping Allen, Mahomes and the rest of the high-fliers. For the last four years or so nobody could stop Mahomes. This year, he had major problems. Teams figured out how to use the cover 2 shell and long completions dropped like a stone. Both Allen and Mahomes had nearly exactly timed major statistical drops, and nearly exactly timed recoveries as they adapted.
Maybe it's not that he is less efficient than it is that he's in a tougher environment.
Stats absolutely do tell a story. They are useful in understanding what's happening. They do not tell the whole story.
The stats are efficiency stats.
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8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
Agree with this…. Always seem to cave in big moments.
They play worse against great offenses lol it’s not that serious.
3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
What are you talking about? I wanted to fire Daboll last year and this year. Stop trying to make stuff up per your usual ways.
Daboll for all his genius is fundamentally flawed at the same time. I’ve had a live hate relationship his whole tenure here. I prayed he got a HC job last year just like I did this year.
I can’t wait for the Dorsey era. If you don’t think I’m going to post offensive stats after every quarter next year right in your eyeball, you got another thing coming
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4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I wouldn't have. Not before the playoffs. In hindsight now the two offensive performances affect that judgment but going into these playoffs I felt like the divisional round was our ceiling and said as much on here.
Do folks not remember 3 picks vs Atlanta? Letting the Jets and Panthers hang around for 3 quarters?
Josh was unreal in the postseason so I get it. But we were not firing on all cylinders heading into the postseason. Compared to 2020. Which many people IN THIS VERY THREAD brought up over and over again.
These jamokes were trying to fire Daboll at week 12 and now trying to pretend the 2021 offense was a powerhouse all year. You won’t memory hole me @Alphadawg7
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Colts to either trade or cut Carson Wentz
in The Stadium Wall
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Yeah Wentz had that one good year, and flashes elsewhere. Comparing him to Stafford is comparing Tannehill to Josh.
On-topic, is Gardner Minshew a fit? Certainly limited physically, but can manage a game, isn't prone to blunders that end your season. Obviously, not an ideal QB, may not be their SB QB, but with that nucleus of a team, Minshew may get them to 11 wins.