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Just now, BillsFanNC said:
I'm sure he's very interested in the Bills, and there are a lot of ways to show it. Unfortunately this clip shows that he's also interested in inebriated, idiotic Bills fans injuring themselves. Not a good look.
Josh Allen threw a guy through a table like 2 months ago.
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7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
This is crazy. BOB tho!
Jameis said he took a paycut.
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4 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:
Uggh...not a good look promoting the table jumping nonsense.
God forbid kids are actually interested in the Bills.
College players don't care about Chuck Knox or Jim Kelly, surprisingly.
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4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
I never got the LaFleur hire. The Titans weren’t a good offense. I don’t hate the Love pick but I get why Rodgers is upset. Plus with guys playing to 40 now, there is less urgency to get a guy.
and normally, I’m for what’s best for the franchise. But Rodgers is their franchise. He got held back by McCarthy and Dom Capers and his toupee. They literally have one nfl starting caliber receiver and did nothing to improve it.
i do think Love will be a player in the long run though. But if I was a Pack fan, I would go all in on an all time great qb.
I think you got that backwards. McCarthy let Rodgers do whatever he wants. He certainly wasn't an incredible coach, but not the worst you can do.
Biscuit, what you have to understand is that the Pack have a new GM/HC combo. These guys weren't here in 2014. You are arguing they are giving up on Rodgers too early. You could be right. They have evaluated their roster and made their picks accordingly. I don't think they had a stellar draft myself, but when you saw how they got absolutely dismantled in the postseason, it's hard to argue Tee Higgins is going to make or break them next season, and they took Love to secure a successor.
Should they have drafted a receiver in the 4th? Probably. Do I think Gabe Davis on the Packers really makes a difference? No. You can get receivers who contribute at that level day one off the scrap heap.
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Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:
Win loss record??? What a lazy argument when talking about a guy like Rodgers. He threw 41 tds, 8 ints in 23 games in 2017 and 2018. Clearly, he was holding GB back. Need more Hundley and Kizer.
I don’t remember saying he was holding them back. He just isn’t as good as he used to be. This happens to every QB that plays. Some folks try to pretend Father Time won’t come for their favorite QB, but he always does.
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5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
Their second leading wr was Allen Lazard who had 477 yards and wasn’t drafted! Yeah, I can’t believe anyone would think they might try to upgrade that position!
If only Tee Higgins was in at safety for this game. The game might have ended in the third Q instead of at half.
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2 minutes ago, Doc said:
Huh?
Taysom Hill had 7 TD's last year. That's more than any skill position player on the Bills in 2019. Not including the QB, obviously.
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Just now, Doc said:
Apparent to everyone else? LOL! No one anywhere said it was time to replace him. There are literally ZERO mock drafts projecting a QB to the Packers. And again, he's just 36 and coming off a Pro Bowl season.
And in the two years prior, he was 10-12-1 as a starter.
Aaron Rodgers wasn't Aaron Rodgers of old and he hasn't been for some time. I don't care about mock drafts (lol) or the ProBowl (lol). He and Brady are both on the same "still a very good game manager" decline. In 2019, Rodgers posted the third worst passer rating of his career, despite winning 13 games. He hasn't had a passer rating >100 (where his career average is) since 2016. His TD% hasn't been above 5 in 2 years (his career avg is 6.0). '
The evidence is abounding that Rodgers just ain't the same player anymore. Folks are acting like 2014 was yesterday, and it just wasn't.
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1 hour ago, Doc said:
Way too much money for the production.
He would have led the Bills' skill position players in TD's last year.
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Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:
adams really struggled when he became a starter. But if we had prime Rodgers, you would be happy settling for 2nd round picks? If you have elite franchise guys, there’s like 5, I never got why you don’t go all in for them? NE was similar to this but they would at least try with Randy Moss or Chad Johnson. GB just settles for dudes and hopes Rodgers makes them great. Their receiving core was worst than ours last year. And they do nothing to improve it except add a scrub like Funchess (who will look better than he is because of Rodgers). I’d be pissed if I was a Pats fan.
Drafting players high in the second round is not settling for trash. Nelson was 3 picks away from the first round. If they traded up and took him at 32 instead of 36 would you change your take?
Rodgers is approaching being done. I wasn't surprised they weren't swinging for the fences this offseason. Just like I wasn't surprised the Pats weren't trading firsts to help Brady. Their windows are closing, not opening.
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Just now, ndirish1978 said:
I don't get the sarcasm. They have never drafted him a skills player in the first round. That's a fact. You just trying to be super cool?
The 2011 Seahawks only drafted CB's in the fifth and sixth round to help their secondary. Does it matter who the players turned out to be, or did they neglect their secondary by not investing higher picks (and thus different players) in it?
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2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
All these guys became stars with Rodgers. They didn’t do squat after leaving GB. What’s more likely - Rodgers got the most out of these wrs, of vice versa? Adams was awful when he became a starter yet Rodgers kept feeding him.
the Bills just gave up a 1st for Diggs. The Pack haven’t done that in 10 years for a top 5 qb ever. It’s absolutely insane.
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Jordy Nelson left GB after multiple injuries at 33 years old, for Oakland. You don't tear off 1500 yards receiving without being a talented player. Aaron Rodgers himself wouldn't agree with this take.
So Adams was "awful" with Rodgers throwing to him and now he's good with Rodgers throwing to him? So if his QB didn't change, maybe he became a better player?
GB's biggest problem since Rodgers has been there is their one-dimensional pass game. They can't run and they can't stop anybody. How does drafting WR's or trading first round picks for WR's help them? So they can lose more games 45-44?
Incredibly, building a defense doesn't count as helping your QB. Building an OL doesn't count as helping your QB. Building a run game doesn't count as helping your QB. Rodgers continues to get a pass for being a less personable Peyton Manning.
1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:Greg Jennings was a 2nd round pick as well the year after Rodgers (I know Rodgers wasn't the starter yet) and Eddie Lacey was a 2nd round pick. They have I concede spent a lot of early picks trying (and mostly failing) to fix the secondary.
The argument they haven't invested in Rodgers' WR group is just not true. They got fine players for Rodgers, and still never sniffed a second SB.
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44 minutes ago, Doc said:
You think any star player thinks his days are numbered? Much less a guy with ARod's ego? Much much less a guy who is 36 at a position that can play into his 40's and who is coming off a Pro Bowl season? LOL! Good one.
And I couldn't care less what GB does. What they did worked with him and Favre. That doesn't mean it will in this case but, again, it's not my concern. I, just like most everyone (even you), was surprised to see the Pack not only draft a QB in the 1st, but trade up for him when I figured they'd be using that pick to shore up the offense or defense and get past the 49'ers. Time will tell if they made the right move.
Yes. Furthermore, no one actually cares if the player knows it or not when its apparent to everyone else.
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8 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:
They have NEVER given him a 1st rd skills position player. Love was a ridiculous pick.
Yeah, they just got him Jordy Nelson, who was a star, Davante Adams, who is a star, and Randall Cobb, who was a star, all in the second round. #WillSomeoneHelpRodgers?
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
As of me posting this Taysom Hill was winning the poll. Keep in mind he’s 6-13 for 119 yards in the regular season in his career. He will be 30 at the start of the season. Say what you want about Jameis but he’s coming off of a 5,000 yard season and is a former number 1 overall pick.
Taysom has a role for sure but this poll should illustrate how irrational Saints fans are when it comes to him. This would be like Bills fans wanting Brad Smith to start at QB. It is kind of crazy.
It’s funny, imagine if Tavon Austin was coming out of college now. The NFL sure has changed.
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25 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
While I agree receiver was a need (and it was strange that they chose not to address it) they did actually replace Bulaga with Rick Wagner in free agency who had a down year last year with the Lions but before that both in Detroit and Baltimore had been one of the better right tackles in the NFL and is a year younger and cost half the price. I actually thought that was a good move. If Wagner plays at anything like his true level it is barely even a downgrade and a significant saving.
I think the overall point on receiver is just that LeFleur is changing who Green Bay are. When you hire Matt LeFleur you have to know that. He isn't Kliff Kingsbury or Matt Nagy. He isn't coming in with 5 wides and spread it out that is not who he is. He is much more Kyle Shanahan. He is going to feed tight ends (seriously the tight they took in the 3rd round out of Cincinnati - excellent player - most people had it as a reach but by my board was not much of one, they took him late 3rd I had a high 4 on him) and he is going to pound the run game with a variety of backs who can attack the edge and the cutback lanes and get downhill.
San Fran made the Superbowl with Emmanuel Sanders (a career #2 receiver) and Deebo Samuel (a rookie #2 receiver type). Davante Adams is better than both and yes Funchess and Lazard are not the most exciting complimentary options... I get that. But LeFleur clearly just doesn't think his system needs two studs outside. At one point Rodgers had Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb and Davante Adams on the same roster and didn't make a Superbowl because when ahead in an NFCCG they were totally incapable of running the ball to eat clock.
Essentially what I am trying to say is:
(1) I do think the clock is ticking on Rodgers and before we shed any tears for him remember he campaigned for the firing of Mike McCarthy;
(2) I thought the writing was on the wall as soon as they hired LeFleur and said as much. It was a wean yourself of Rodgers (who had been hurt a lot in the 3 previous seasons and whose game was already showing signs of decline) move;
(3) While I am surprised they didn't draft a receiver somewhere it is an offensive scheme in which backs and tight ends have equal value to wideouts;
(4) If the Packers had a first round grade on Jordan Love they were absolutely right to take him. First round graded Quarterbacks are not a dime a dozen. If your guy is 36 and you get a chance to draft one then you should darn well do it;
(5) If Aaron Rodgers ends up - as seems very possible - with only one Superbowl then one of the main reasons for that will be Aaron Rodgers. He is a great Quarterback but he has never been a great leader.
Excellent post.
I will go a step further and say they have sent a message loud and clear to Rodgers. This is not a Mike McCarthy do whatever you want regime. Your talent no longer demands us do everything to make sure you are happy.
If he sulks and acts like a clown, he will have no one to blame for their dysfunction but himself.
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7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
It was a 3rd round pick for Rudolph. Big difference. Plus, Big Ben has been hinting at retirement like Favre was at the time. I think it was March of 2005 when Favre said he'd be back next season and wouldn't commit beyond that. Unless there's something going on behind the scenes, I haven't heard Rodgers mention the possibility of retiring any time soon.
Brady wasn’t talking about retiring and the Pats spent a second and third on QB’s.
The new Packers are not the old Packers. Rodgers gets the biggest pass for being a HoF talent with 1 Super Bowl. And now he’s in decline. Peyton Manning wishes he got this kind of pass.
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11 minutes ago, Doc said:
Nope. Been saying that the earliest he can be gone is after that season because of the cap hit.Perfect for a departure, ease Love in and if he isn’t elite right away, maybe they get lucky and sign him to a cheapish deal.
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27 minutes ago, Simon said:
No teammate with a functioning cerebral cortex wants to see his QB taking on defenders.
That is strictly the territory of histrionic fans.
I disagree.
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1 minute ago, Gugny said:
I think he was smarter in 2019 than he was in 2018. He's shown, time and time again, that he works hard at improving areas of improvement. I expect to see more slides this year, but a certain handful of gutsy ends of runs that make us all hold our collective breath!
Sometimes, the team needs to see the QB run over a defender as a spark. Josh Allen for all his faults, is more than willing to provide that spark if necessary, and he rules for that.
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5 minutes ago, TroutDog said:
I know, I know: another JA thread. This to me, however, was telling. Many here have said that Josh can’t sustain his game while also contributing in the run game. It really boggled my mind as I really felt as though he figured out how to be a running QB in the NFL last year...after the hits in his rookie season.
I feel like this video supports my theory. Thoughts? Flame away if you’d like or, perhaps, admit that this kid (I use the term as a 50 something) is a little (lot?) more than what many have made of him...particularly if he can capitalize on the Diggs trade and become a 63 - 65% passer AND be a safe running QB.
GO JOSH AND GO BILLS!!!!! ? ?
Where does Cam Newton come into this topic?
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1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:
This team did the same exact thing when they drafted Rodgers! Yet now it's a disaster!
Look the Packers had a 2018 Bears season, except with an aging franchise QB instead of a rookie. They did better than anyone figured they would. But that team is full of holes. Aaron Rodgers is NOT the workout/health freak that Brees/Brady are. After a year of dealing with him, LaFleur and the FO are comfortable they are NOT one 1st rounder away from winning the NFCC. Who in the right mind would argue with them??
This whole thing isn nuts. This is the 2005 Packers, nothing more. They aren't going to get their franchise QB 2 years from now in the back of the 1st round.
I don't know why Rodgers has such staunch defenders either.
When Big Ben was just getting fatter and older, and freaked out when the Steelers drafted Mason Rudolph, everyone thought the pick was completely reasonable.
But when Rodgers faces the same scenario, it's the ultimate organization betrayal. Bizzarro world stuff.
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1 hour ago, NewEra said:
Now change premise. But it’s cool.
My original point: the packers really screwed up by not drafting a WR in one of the best WR drafts ever. Why? Because their WRs sucked last year other than Adams. Everyone with working eyeballs noticed that their offense would’ve been markedly better if they had better wr options. You noticed too. You have working eyeballs, no?
My other point: Rodgers can win a super bowl if given the proper team around him. Not just WRs. Defense too. I thought Queen should’ve been the pick instead of Love. Someone that can help one of the best QBs ever win another SB.
I have no problem with them drafting Love, but I feel bad for AR and if I were him, I’d be pissed.
I feel that if I were the packers GM, the only thing I’d be worried about this year is putting my team in its best position to win a super bowl the next two years. It’s a two year league. Things change in an instant. They were a win away from the SB. You have an all time great qb. Win now
I’m not changing premises, the general argument appears to be that the GB FO has “screwed” Rodgers.
What WR should they have drafted? Maybe they didn’t see the value in who was available. Your answer will likely be “someone!” Should they have taken Isaiah Hodgins? Would everyone stop crying then?
Aaron Rodgers, prior to 2019, was 10-12-1 as a starter in the past two seasons. His new GM took over last year, and his new coach took over this year. And Voila, 13 wins and an NFCCG appearance. Are they really “screwing” Rodgers by not nominally drafting some bum WR? He hasn’t thrown over 30 TD’s in 4 seasons. He’s a game manager and they are acting accordingly. Run the ball, play defense. See what the Pats did two years ago, loading up on the run game.
Oh, and the Pats somehow drafted a bunch of QB’s and no one EVER cried about like Rodgers’ fans.
44 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:Definitely a wasted pick. Love almost threw as many picks as touchdowns last year. It's even more damaging than a wasted pick though because it creates a toxic locker room. Huge mistake by the Packers that will likely cost LaFleur his job down the road.
I will enjoy watching Jordan Love in 4 years and linking this post.
15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:He's untradeable.
They are not a rookie playmaker from a SB. No way.
The FO figured this out. So, just like the franchise did 15 years ago, they drafted the replacement for their HOF QB a few years before they needed to replace him (and at a time they were struggling to advance in the playoffs).......AND they got a top 10 pick near the bottom of the 1st round. They aren't going to be picking in the top 10 for as long as Rodgers is starting.
I don’t remember folks saying the Pats should trade Brady because they drafted Jimmy G and it’s just so unfair to Tom!!!
This has gotten ridiculous. Maybe John Brown should demand a trade because we traded for Diggs and drafted Gabe Davis to replace him in 2 years. Somebody save John Brown!!!!
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6 minutes ago, NewEra said:
So every $30M QB is just going to go out there and win with one good wr and bums? It’s not a good recipe for success. Look at what these teams are doing? Everyone is loading up on playmakers. Who won the SB? Superstar QB with the most playmakers in the league. Sure mahomes is amazing. Rodgers is amazing too. We have no idea how good Rodgers would be in KC. He’s stats are regressing.....because he has no one to throw the ball to except adams.
The KC D stepped up but they’re hardly good. The chiefs won with a dominant O and timely D. The packers could’ve loaded up on O this offseason and put themselves in position to make a run.
Funchess is a starter on a team with terrible WRs. So was Kelvin Benjamin. He’s not good. There’s a difference between not sucking and being good. Funchess is NOT good. He’s just there. He won’t be on the packers next year. He probably won’t be in the league in 3 years.
San Fran destroyed the Pack with a devastating run game. The Packers drafted an RB, a TE, and 3 OL.
This is why this argument is so silly. Apparently they just needed to draft WR’s. RB’s, TE’s and OL don’t help QB’s. They are abandoning Aaron Rodgers to die!!!!
Very overdramatic.
2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:Two reasons. Rodgers was a much more highly touted prospect than Love as their was debate about him possibly going #1 while Love was barely considered a first round pick and is a huge project. The Packers only took Rodgers because he fell to them at #24 and couldn't pass on the value. Also, Favre had already started his yearly retirement talks so they didn't even know at the time if he'd be back that year for sure.
If Tua or Herbert fell to them at #30 then I'd be all for drafting Rodgers eventual replacement. All they did by drafting Love was waste a 1st round pick on somebody that won't help them win now. It's just going to create a toxic locker room for a quarterback that compares more with Bortles as a prospect than Mahomes.
So basically, it was a waste because you don’t think Love will succeed. I wonder if some folks in 2005 thought the same thing.
Did the rise of the Bills have any influence in Brady moving on?
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I would bet they didn’t enter into the equation at all.
He went to a division with Drew Brees and Matt Ryan In it.