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5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
It’s honestly insane. There is so much twisting and contorting to fit a narrative. Now we are supposed to overlook his rushing.
Even if that dude took away a third of Allen’s TD’s, he still said he’d take Allen over Mitch, but apparently it’s “close.”
PFF wins by this even be addressed on this board. The Bears don’t even agree with Mitch > Allen today and they traded up for Mitch and took him #2 overall. The Bears didn’t even agree with Mitch over Chase Daniel for a few games last year lol.
1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:The Bills offense scored 19.6 ppg with Allen under center, a weak schedule, and a defense that allowed 16.2 ppg.
So it's not insane to question whether Allen is a budding superstar.
I get it, we all like that he works really hard, loves Buffalo, comes from a small school, is an underdog. But I am not convinced that the Bills will ever have a top flight offense with him under center because he's never shown that in college or so far in the pros. 2020 will be his best circumstances yet.
How many times does it need to be told to you that this is NOT the question being posed in this thread. FFS.
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2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
If he can keep up 8-9 rushing TDs per year then by all means. Usually, as a career goes on the rushing starts to trail off, but maybe not with Allen.
The Scouting Reports have been pretty accurate on Allen through two years. It's not slander or something. He is a 190 ypg passer 1 TD, 0.5 Int and 0.5 TD rushing.
A 3-1 TD:INT ratio is pretty good you know. So yeah, it’s not slander, it’s praise.
I do enjoy the contortion act to get off the Trubisky v Allen topic. Wonderfully done.
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4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
You’re such a liar and full of ?. I never said all I do is bang super models. ? Like my 5 is probably is probably your 10 but still I have dated normies as well. Super models are overrated anyways.
and I never had 4 tds in a high school game. ? but Al Bundy ended up with Sophia Vergera, so thank you. If only you would have made JV.
Yeah, these fans really showed him!!!
such a salty thread.
Just incredible stuff as always. I love you Biscuit.
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6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Just for context Patrick Mahomes account for .1875 more TDs per game than Allen. That .625 number that you are trying to downplay is a chasm.
This dude must own PFF stock.
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2 minutes ago, Gugny said:
Like a star college football player who bangs nothing but super models and knows more about football than Bill Belicheck?
It must be difficult being you, Al Bundy.
“You don’t know what it’s like being a D1 athlete but all the babes I picked up on Friday do now. I bet they are way hotter than your wife. Jauron was framed!”
- guy who definitely doesn’t hide behind a computer screen.
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Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:
Yeah we'll just ignore Trubisky's 2nd year with the 11-3 record and 95 QB rating.
His fall off the cliff year is not that far from 2nd year Allen...
Allen accounted for 0.625 more TDs per game that Trubisky in 2019.
So he accounted for >8 more TD's on the year. I guess maybe that's why they were the 29th offense in the NFL last year.
You don't have to ignore anything. Mitch had a good second year and then regressed hard, got benched for Chase Daniels and QB'd one of the worst offenses in the NFL last season. The debate is not "Trubisky's second year vs Allen's second year." The debate is who you take today.
Some folks on here call me an Allen hater because I don't think the media should call him the MVP or the franchise guy yet. But if you're so blinded by your Allen take that you can't see "Trubisky v Allen today" is a insanely one sided argument, you're unsalvageable.
Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:Of course
mostevery fan around the league would take Allen.All I'm saying is its not some landslide, laughable, lopsided debate.
Allen has been a bottom tier NFL passer since coming into the league. Now, stating again for the record, he had horrendous weapons in 2018 and was a rookie, so no hard judgement there. But let's be honest here, Allen did not show a Carson Wentz-esque improvement from Year 1 to Year 2 or anything. He got better relative to his rookie self and played to the positive side of his Scouting Reports.
FTFW
Just now, FireChans said:Some folks on here call me an Allen hater because I don't think the media should call him the MVP or the franchise guy yet. But if you're so blinded by your Allen take that you can't see "Trubisky v Allen today" is a insanely one sided argument, you're unsalvageable.
There's no need to continue to debate here. I vehemently disagree that Allen V Trubisky is a real debate by real people. No one has ever even brought it up except PFF and they already don't like Allen based on their system. And they STILL took Allen.
It's a troll debate. No one is picking Mitch. No one.
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1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
"This doesn't mean he is the favorite, or anything close. Patrick Mahomes is still the favorite and there are plenty of other quarterbacks higher up the list. Khalil Mack's odds aren't even as long as Trubisky's, but long odds make for a tempting bet."
Not only was your article completely irrelevant, you failed to understand the point of the article and sports gambling in general. The Triple Threat!
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19 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
Mitch threw for 17 TDs and 10 Ints, 3,138 yards, with 209 ypg and rating of 83.0. He ran for 2 TDs, 2 lost fumbles.
Allen was 20 TDs and 9 Ints, 3,089 yards, at 193 ypg and a rating of 85.3. Josh ran for 9 TDs, 4 lost fumbles.
This is not a country mile type separation here.
So Josh Allen was clearly better in his second year than Trubisky was in his 3rd year, and Trubisky had already regressed hard, but there’s not a country mile difference?
Sure man. Whatever.
4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:So Josh had 10 more TDs, 1 more turnover, 3 more yards a game (have to include rushing when talking about these 2) with 1 less year experience?
And hasn’t yet fallen off a cliff and needed his team to trade for a vet to replace him. Wow, the debate rages on, I don’t know who I’d take at this point!
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48 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
I would take Allen too, but it's not this landslide, no-brainer type question.
We have the hindsight of knowing how Trubisky's 3rd year panned out, so he has two poor/mediocre years, with an improvement year sandwiched in the middle.
Those critical of the Allen pick based on what they saw in college have not been proven wrong IMO. He displays the same traits as his Scouting Reports said he would, and so 2020 is really a gut check on whether he can overcome that.
If he goes out in 2020 and the same year as he did in 2019, the Bills would be smart to get more competition. Which is the same as Trubisky faces now. So the direct comparison has less significance than what arc you project Allen's 3rd year to be.
It’s not hindsight when the question is who would you take TODAY. Not who would you take last year. Knowing what we know TODAY, no one is taking Trubisky over Allen going forward. No one.
Again, you are trying to argue things PFF did not argue.
And you're wrong on your other points. If Allen has the exact same year in 2020 that he did in 2019, he’d be far better than Trubisky because Mitch didn’t have the same year 3, he regressed hard.
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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
The question wasn’t though “is Josh Allen a top 20 QB?” The question is “who will have the better career?” PFF knows that 99.99% of people, at this point, will say Josh. They picked such an extreme to troll.
FWIW, I could have lived with Minshew. At least he appears ascending and is a starter.
Even more telling, they broached this subject with “I’ve been pondering this question for a few days” and then the other guy goes, “hands down Josh Allen.” Then the guy who was pondering goes with, “yeah Trubisky was a better prospect coming out but I go with Josh Allen.”
There’s zero actual debate or effort. It wasn’t even a discussion. It was solely a point made for a clickbait troll headline.
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4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
Whether you rank Josh 21st, 23rd, 25th it doesn't really matter.
The Bills need more points to really win anything.
This is like when Bills fans argued Trent Edwards, JP Losman or Ryan Fitzpatrick. Whether they're ranked 27th or 21st, it's the bottom 3rd of the league.
So Trubisky is the latest media whipping boy and that's fine, PFF wants some clicks, ok, but Allen's play has come under more scrutiny since the season ended the way it did.
Like I said above, 2018 I don't give much thought, he was a raw rookie with an empty cupboard to work with. In 2019, he was much better relative to himself.
Now he needs to climb the ranks of the league. Because people scoff at someone like Gardner Minshew. But he came in and had better passing numbers right away for a Jags team under archaic Doug Marrone. Maybe the raw passing numbers don't tell the whole story, still the ranking range is still the same, 20's. And the Bills can't really win like that.
I think it's fine to openly say that.
None of this is what PFF said in their video. You are arguing something no one else is arguing.
Asking “would you take Trubisky or Allen” is a dumb question at this stage. Period. PFF asked that question to troll Bills fans. Period.
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27 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
If Allen doesn't improve from where he is as a passer, he is Mitchell Trubisky.
Mitchell's 2nd season was better than Allen in terms of yards, passing touchdowns, and completion percentage.
Josh has to improve, because he is not a viable starter long term otherwise.
The number of football fans who would take Mitch Trubisky over Josh Allen is directly correlated to how many family members Mitch Trubisky has.
PFF knows this. Everyone would take Josh at this point. It is a moronic question. But they make a video on it, just to troll and get engagement with Bills fans. It’s hacky and embarrassing.
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5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:
I'm fine with that part of it. Just not the "OR ELSE!!!1!!"
So if the Bills go 6-10 and miss the postseason, you would advocate NOT looking at some aspects of the team more closely?
I don’t think we should fire everyone, but I would be examining why we fell short and where we need to improve to get over the hump.
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1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:
You don’t think winning the division should be an expectation with our current roster? I bet the Bills brass disagree with you.
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9 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:
The Chiefs? Really?
They were actually pretty good down the stretch last year. Only allowed >20 points once in their last 5 games of the regular season. They also were top 5 in INT's.
I don't agree with them being the best defense in the AFC but they are underrated.
11 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:We actually finished ranked ahead of them and I believe we have improved.
We may have had an easier schedule last season but where was our offense.
The Ravens added two ILB’s and a great DE in Campbell. I think their defense got better than ours this offseason.
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2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:
Levi Wallace has been okay.
11 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:Levi Wallace......how do you not know?
You two are exactly right. That’s my mistake. Levi has been solid for sure.
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11 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:
You just don't get it. This thread is about back-up QB power rankings. It has nothing to do ability it has to do with actually having not only taken a snap but actually winning a game in the NFL. Those 4 are ranked 32, 31, 30, 29 in reality until they prove otherwise.
Lol what
Today I learned that Cam Newton and Andrew Luck would have been tied for 32nd best backup after being drafted.
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2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
This is where I’m at. I think that Singletary will get about 70% of the snaps but that may be a little high. Epenesa will be in the regular DE rotation as well. Those 2 positions, along with DT, the Bills don’t really have starters and backups. They play a rotation. Those 2 players will be in the rotation.
I believe that Bass wins the kicker job.
As a little bit of an off-the-radar guess it’s possible (not likely) that Trey Adams wins the RT job.
How great would it be to have an UDFA actually win a job and contribute meaningfully. Bills haven’t had a successful UDFA since Robey. Foster looked like he could have been that guy but alas.
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3 hours ago, whorlnut said:
This is so dumb. So...players that can’t pass drug tests or are too stupid to meet academic eligibility requirements in their cupcake majors can declare and possibly play this year, but players possibly affected by a virus can not? I don’t know what is more of a circumstance than having a season altered or cancelled due to a global pandemic. Unreal.
It’s really not dumb at all. All college athletes are potentially affected by the pandemic. The supplemental draft was designed for individuals who failed to declare for the original draft due to unusual circumstances.
It’s the KOD for most prospects anyway. No one is spending a supplemental second on Chuba Hubbard. May as well wait the year.
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7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Well when is it okay to start the young QB vs. the QB with experience? That’s EXACTLY what this conversation is about. Ryan Finley started 3 games last year. That’s 2 more than Barkley has started since 2016. It’s 3 more than Burrow has started. Why are we more comfortable with Burrow if he has never played?
People are talking out of both sides of their mouths in this thread. You either believe that you are better off with a scrub vet or a young guy with talent. As far as I’m concerned there are only 2 viable situations. You either have one of the vets that has started and had some success recently (ie Jameis, Dalton, Trubisky, Brissett, Keenum and Mariota) or the young guys with ability (Tua, Love, Herbert, Hurts). You can debate the order within those guys but, IMO no one else can even be considered. The next 2 would probably be Mullens and Allen. They kind of fall between those 2 categories. All 32 teams though would rather give Jordan Love or Justin Herbert a start than Chad Henne or Matt Barkley. They don’t need to see them take a snap to know that. That’s why everyone takes their first snap at some point.
The simple answer is that if you were a team with 1 of the 32 starters in the NFL, you would not be able to name many backups you would rather have than Love or Herbert. For a multitude of reasons, including potential.
It’s really silly actually. Herbert and Love go in the first round because they’re potential franchise QB’s. Fromm goes in the fifth because he’s a potential Chad Henne. But teams would rather have Chad Henne than the first two guys? No chance.
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10 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
It was tongue in cheek but I do think there is truth in it. How many black backups qbs are there? Why did Trubisky go ahead of Watson and Mahomes? I think EJ was really good case for this. Look at his numbers. Had over 100 QB rating the preseason he got cut and no one signed him. He is superior to a lot of backup QBs (dominates Barkley, better numbers than Gabbert and Henne). Why do those guys get the jobs with worse production in a meritocracy business? Jameis Winston signed for a $1 million. Newton is unsigned (though I understand that more). Even after his MVP season, people still question Jackson long term as a qb. I truly believe if Allen has that season, there would zero of those posts.
do I think the nfl is racist? No but I do think there are subconscious attitudes towards some things. Especially qb. And save the nfl coaching fraternity thing. It’s one of the biggest joke organizations in all of sports. Terrible coaches get recycled while young guys struggle to get their break. The NFL coaching fraternity is a joke. Andy Reid’s Ed crack head son is now a nfl coach. I’m sure he really paid his dues.
and of course Love can be a bust. He’d still be better than Barkley, who is a nice guy but terrible.
Yeah man, that’s why Brady Quinn was drafted before JaMarcus Russell. That’s why Cam Newton was drafted after Ponder, Gabbert and Locker.
Good post!!!!
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13 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:
You know what they say about opinions. Yours stink more than most. And I'm still not sold on Oliver.
I think he thought you were talking about me instead of him.
That’s not surprising.
14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:Congratulations! You've hit the unabashed lack of self-awareness and unintentional irony daily double
A-ha! You claim that everybody is entitled to their opinion but you also disagree with other people’s opinions! Gotcha! I am very smart.
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Just now, Joe in Winslow said:
Who's the arbiter of arrogance? You?
You’ve figured out that people are aribiters of their own opinions. This is a big step!
1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:Fanhood brigade regulating the appropriate level of enthusiasm and right on time as usual! Thanks for your service fellas
More like an “acting like an ass” brigade. I guess it makes sense. Joe here was calling Ed Oliver a bust by week 2 but different rules for me and thee I suppose.
PFF with the ultimate Bills troll job
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Exactly, that’s why the PFF topic is moronic.
You aren’t convinced by Allen yet. That’s reasonable. You don’t think he’s proven to be consistent enough to hang in the NFL. That’s defensible. And still you’d take Allen over Mitch. If you wouldn’t take Mitch over Allen, WHO WOULD?