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Just now, Draconator said:
Surprised me that we're so high up in the rankings. With Tre coming back and hoping Spencer Brown's ankle isn't a multi-week issue, this bodes well.
We are high up in the rankings because we are 5-1, if the score “quantifies how injuries affecting overall team position.”
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Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:
But they aren’t replacing him. They’ve targeted him in free agency.
Hopefully the Chiefs game is something they build on.
Ike is gonna take his job. He’s getting replaced.
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I really liked Jeudy in college but there’s no way they sell low at this point. Pass.
Don’t need more DE’s.
Just now, sullim4 said:I don't understand why so many people feel like we need someone else on top of Diggs and Davis or some other running back.
If anything, this team needs OG help.
Luckily there’s a thread to discuss trading for an OG lol
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2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
Remind me, did you say "The bolded is legitimately the worst team building strategy ever"?
Or did you say, in total ....
Exactly.
And for the second time, you seriously think he meant "every other year," literally? That he really meant only exactly every two years, whether you needed an RB or not? Seriously, that's what you thought? If that's the core of your argument, I feel even sorrier for you.
I mean obviously the bolded is what I was referring to otherwise I wouldn't have bolded it. I didn't do it for no reason lol
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1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:
Yeah, I took issue with you calling not drafting any RBs in the top 20 and not giving any big second contracts a terrible strategy. DUH!! It's a terrible strategy.
As for picking guys late in the first, again, go back and read what I wrote about drafting in the late 1st round in the post just above, the one, the one you just responded to. Again, you seem to have this inability to successfully read before you respond.
Being strict about his exact words, no, it's not a good idea to decide to draft something precisely every two years. I'd have thought that was obvious.
But drafting an RB around the 2nd to 4th round when you need one? Yeah, that's good strategy. I'd allow the 5th as well, probably, but yeah. I wouldn't mind picking up the occasional low to mid-priced FA (Yeldon and Antonio Williams, for example) to fill in the cracks either.
Yeah, good strategy.
I bolded the part of his post I was responding to.
And you responded with this.
2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:The evidence shows differently.
Belichick followed it, never using a top 20 pick on an RB and never giving an RB a big 2nd contract. Yet he's the best team builder in the last 20 years.
Where are all the SB winning teams recently that have spent top-20 picks on RBs or given them big 2nd contracts and then not regretted it?
The Rams picked Gurley before McVay, under Fisher, and giving him a big 2nd contract was a massive mistake. Edwards-Helaire was picked way after 20th and if they had that to do over again, they likely wouldn't have picked him at all. You have to go back to the Seahawks, who gave Lynch a big contract and were happy about it, though the team that drafted him above #20 lived to regret it. The Saints picked Reggie Bush #2, and he was still on their roster the year they won the Super Bowl, giving them 390 yards that year.
After the Seahawks, I didn't check every single year but I think you have to go back to the 2000 Ravens to find a team that had a high draft pick or high second contract RB running on a Super Bowl winners.
In fact, it's the strategy used by most SB winners which makes it very very far from the worst team building strategy ever. Closer to the best, actually.
Maybe it's not me who needs to work on reading before responding.
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1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said:
Very much agreed about your first paragraph. I never blame a player for trying to maximize his contract. You never know when things will end, particularly for an RB.
So, you can't read either?
I guess about all I can do here is give a double facepalm and move on. It's like trying to argue with my seven year-old daughter. Four years ago.
You took issue with me calling it a terrible strategy and engaged me.
Do you think it's a good strategy or a bad strategy?
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2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
I'd say you keep topping yourself, but it's really bottoming. You just get worse and worse. Why are you so desperate to look bad?
You say, "BB is not some mastermind 'team builder' because he won a lot." Do you have any idea how stupid that is. You apparently think that the way to show you're a team builder is losing? Good lord, dude. Yeah, he is a team builder, a spectacular one. And it is exactly the fact that he won more than anyone else that shows it. And who drafted Tom Brady? Oh, yeah, Bill Beliochick did.
Dude, I didn't say "top 20." Are you drunk? Seriously!
Remember the post by DJP about which you said, "That's legitimately the worst team building strategy ever," remember that one? He said top 20. And you bashed him for it. That's why I responded. Get a clue.
He insulted teams that pick RBs in the top 20 and that you should expect us to keep picking an RB in the late 1st to 4th. Again, you told him "That's legitimately the worst team building strategy ever." Which is both wrong and dumb. The only thing wrong about what he said is that the Bills haven't picked an RB in the late 1st and there's no evidence they ever will.
okay lmao.
Drafting an RB in the end of the 1st to 4th every other year is a good team-building strategy according to you. Your opinion is noted.
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3 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
Another purely dumb comment.
Yes, his Super Bowl wins absolutely show Belichick is the best team builder in the last 20 years. Hate him as I do, it's still not close.
You're flailing so much, I'm not sure who you're responding to.
BB is not some mastermind "team builder" because he won a lot. He is not a transcendent GM, he's the best coach of all time and was paired with the best QB of all time. He didn't win because they drafted Stevan Ridley in the third round.
Also you changed your argument to suit your BB point.
1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:they've picked up Oliver, Rousseau and Elam where they would have drafted an RB in the first.
Now it's not RB in the first, it's "top 20." Is that because BB drafted an RB in the first and won the Superbowl with him starting in 2018?
8 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:Not to mention that you're dead wrong in your other contention there as well. Quick, find a spot where six times in the last ten years shows "no one" wants to do that. Six top 20 RBs chosen in the last ten years and a bunch more back to 2000. So, wrong again.
Just because idiotic teams do it doesn't mean it's good strategy or that anyone on this board wants it. Find someone who wanted an RB in the first instead of Oliver on TBD. You can't. Another silly strawman to win the argument you are having with no one.
8 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:Not to mention that you just got finished making the argument that not picking an RB in the top 20 was half of what you called "legitimately the worst team building strategy ever." A genuinely ridiculous argument, granted, but it's what you said.
I never made this argument.
I have stated, at least twice now, the argument is not "1st round RB's vs. 2nd/3rd round RB's." Again, not sure who you think you are talking to.
What I said was that, "Expect every other year a late 1st-4th used on a RB" is the worst team building strategy ever. Using a day 1 or 2 pick on an RB EVERY OTHER YEAR is ridiculous, because RB is the most overrated and devalued position in the NFL. And guess what, if using a late first or second on RB's is a mistake, then you know what else is a mistake? An early first.
So, as you can clearly see, you have been debating the voices in your head lmao.
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6 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:
After years of using the name Fig Newtons and Dog90210 I changed to the street I grew up on, Boy Street
I remember when you were NDBUFFCUSE
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4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
The evidence shows differently.
Belichick followed it, never using a top 20 pick on an RB and never giving an RB a big 2nd contract. Yet he's the best team builder in the last 20 years.
Where are all the SB winning teams recently that have spent top-20 picks on RBs or given them big 2nd contracts and then not regretted it?
The Rams picked Gurley before McVay, under Fisher, and giving him a big 2nd contract was a massive mistake. Edwards-Helaire was picked way after 20th and if they had that to do over again, they likely wouldn't have picked him at all. You have to go back to the Seahawks, who gave Lynch a big contract and were happy about it, though the team that drafted him above #20 lived to regret it. The Saints picked Reggie Bush #2, and he was still on their roster the year they won the Super Bowl, giving them 390 yards that year.
After the Seahawks, I didn't check every single year but I think you have to go back to the 2000 Ravens to find a team that had a high draft pick or high second contract RB running on a Super Bowl winners.
In fact, it's the strategy used by most SB winners which makes it very very far from the worst team building strategy ever. Closer to the best, actually.
No he's not.
No one wants to draft an RB high in the first.
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37 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
So far, yeah, virtually without question.
And it's just plain dumb implying Cook is a lesser RB. We don't know what he is yet, but he could very easily be worth a 2nd and Singletary is overproducing for a 3rd.
So far in the last four years, since they got Allen and Edmunds, they've picked up Oliver, Rousseau and Elam where they would have drafted an RB in the first. Three players who look excellent so far, though the last couple of years you really can't be sure yet. And all at players of much more need than RB.
And we have a decent productive RB group so far.
So far this year, without Allen included they're averaging 4.55 YPC behind an OL that was really having problems early.
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James Cook hasn't seen the field yet in any significant capacity. We can't pretend he's anything besides a question mark.
Singletary maximizes his production well in this offense, but he's still a limited RB.
IRT the bolded, NO ONE has wanted them to draft an RB in place of Oliver. First round RB's are poison. The debate is not "first round vs multiple second or third rounders."
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9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
What are you even talking about anymore? LmaoYou need a new schtick
That you have an unhealthy obsession with hating Daboll and I'm here to help you.
The first step is admitting you have a problem lol
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9 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:
You missed the GDT. Plenty of bench him, trade him, cut him posts there. This thread is just piling on. I especially liked the ones that said he shouldn't suit up for the SB if we get there. I disagree that benching him helped, and I disagree that he has a long and diverse history of mental errors. He does have a long history of making plays, first downs, and clutch catches and runs. No problem with giving Shakir more touches, but I'm not ready to throw in the towel on McKittrick. He's earned some slack with me, but clearly a lot of posters here don't want him anywhere near the field.
Do you think McD benched him for no reason?
I'm not sure how anyone can believe this.
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10 minutes ago, NewEra said:
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1 hour ago, FireChans said:Josh had 9 first downs passing. The RB's had 3 first downs between the two of them.
Josh was averaging over 5 YPC.
The RB's were averaging 3 YPC. 60 yards on 19 carries. Mr. "I'm really a good RB I swear" Singletary had 1 carry for 17 yards, then got 19 yards on his next 9.
Our only TD of the game was scored through the air.
But sure. "DaBoLl PaSsEd ToO mUcH!"
Did Daboll beat you up in high school lmao
Join him on the "we didn't run enough and we passed too much" train lol. Straight to Wrongsville
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25 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:
Would it be better that we waste 4-5 picks on a washed up injured prone RB??
not correct huh??
I mean, CMC has more than double the touches of Moss/Cook right now this season....
But I guess the Cody Ford's and Zack Moss' and Zay Jones' and James Cooks' of the world are just too valuable.
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28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
No it’s not, you just like to argue non existent points. In a close game where passing was not working, we threw the ball 19 more times in the second half trying to force the pass as the weather got worse even though we were completing just 50%.Josh had 9 first downs passing. The RB's had 3 first downs between the two of them.
Josh was averaging over 5 YPC.
The RB's were averaging 3 YPC. 60 yards on 19 carries. Mr. "I'm really a good RB I swear" Singletary had 1 carry for 17 yards, then got 19 yards on his next 9.
Our only TD of the game was scored through the air.
But sure. "DaBoLl PaSsEd ToO mUcH!"
Did Daboll beat you up in high school lmao
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42 minutes ago, djp14150 said:
RBs are very common high athletic positions so they are easily replaceable.assuming no injuries sone will say that a RB might have only about 1500 rush attempts in them. 20 a game means 75 games which is about 4.5 seasons.
this is why many teams don’t draft a RB with a top 20 pick. You want your top 20 pick to last for 8+ years ( assuming you resign them)
there are RB who can last longer if they stay healthy like Gore or Adrian Peterson.
if the back is good they are generally turning pro st earliest time so they start at 20 or 21 yrs old instead of 23 yr old so in theory you should be able to get more out of them.
it’s the big unknown…what separates a RB who only lasts 4 yrs vs one that has a 8+ yr career that isn’t a role/ back up
not a big deal. You are likely not going to see them get resigned after their 4 yr team control is completed. Expect every other year a late 1st-4th used on a RBThat's legitimately the worst team building strategy ever.
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1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/21/todd-gurley-hasnt-officially-retired-but-says-hes-most-definitely-done/ only 28 years old. Seeing this makes me glad that Beane passed on trading for CMC. This is why the RB position is a dime a dozen position.
Instead Beane keeps spending 2nds and 3rds drafting lesser RB’s. Is that better?
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8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
We did not lose that NE game because we couldn’t run the ball. We lost that game because Daboll thought it was best throw the whole game instead of running the ball. And we also lost because our undersized DL couldn’t stop the run.
I don’t get why people don’t seem to understand about how you can’t run the ball if you don’t actually run the ball.
When we focus on involving the run game, we run successfully. We just don’t run the ball because we Josh Allen is just carving up the NFL. He’s on pace for the greatest season ever for a QB and utterly shattering the current NFL record by 800 yards right now.
That being said: Moss sucks. So if they added another RB as insurance against a Devin injury, then fine. But we don’t need to give up a solid to premium pick for a RB unless that person was a proven stud and significant upgrade to Devin.
This is a total mischaracterization of the NE game. Throw the ball all game. Lmao. What did Daboll do to you bro?
Josh passed 11 times in the first half btw lmao
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16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Wawrow disagrees.
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44 minutes ago, NewEra said:
They’re going to restructure him. There is no doubt. And with that restructure, they’re going to pay a RB more than most teams prefer to pay RBs.
meanwhile- 16M in cap room goes a long way when you have to replace - starters in bold and italics rotational players that get snaps.
QB Jimmy Garoppolo
EDGE Samson Ebukam
CB Emmanuel Moseley
RT Mike McGlinchey
LB Azeez Al-Shaair
K Robbie Gould
OL Daniel Brunskill
QB Nate Sudfeld
DT Hassan Ridgeway
EDGE Kemoko Turay
DE Kerry Hyder Jr.
DB Dontae Johnson
TE Tyler Kroft
EDGE Jordan Willis
WR Malik Turner
DL Maurice Hurst
RB Jeff Wilson Jr.
LS Taybor Pepper
TE Ross Dwelley
WR Marcus Johnson
OL Jake Brendel
TE Jordan Matthews
CB Jason Verrett
TE Troy Fumagalli
CB Ka’dar Hollman
DB Tarvarius Moore
P Mitch Wishnowsky
LB Dre Greenlaw
DE Charles Omenihu
OL Justin Skule
S Jimmie Ward
I suppose the only thing you’re having a problem with here is the use of the word massive. Replace it with “a substantial cap hit, especially when considering the position”
Spending 7-10M a year on a RB just doesn’t make sense to me. Especially for a team that just used a handful of picks on RBs the last 2 years. My best friend is a die hard niner fan and he’s not happy about the trade- he agrees that it’s desperate. It makes them better this year for sure- but going forward, they will miss the picks and lose FA’s because of it. Improving the Rb position but getting worse in other positions.
Tell him on the plus side, it's less picks for Shanny to spend on runningbacks who suck.
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5 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:
I’d swap Moss for Montgomery in a heartbeat. He’s a powerback with excellent contact balance and good vision that’s averaged 3.9 yards behind the most anemic Oline in the league and no passing attack to move safeties out of the box. Be a great compliment to Singletary and Cook.
Why would the Bears want Moss lmao
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2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:
And your plan is to piss away resources to upgrade Moss so some other guy can get tackled in the backfield?
Nah my plan was to go after CMC. Plan failed. I’d stay pat at RB and IOL because I don’t see an in-season upgrade anywhere.
The point was it’s easy to say “upgrade the IOL” without actually being able to do that lol
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1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:
We have a furnace. But you running back enthusiasts want a new one because its cold in the house. Meanwhile all theres a Saffold and Bates sized hole in the roof.
There was a really nice furnace on the market up until yesterday. Arguably the best furnace on the market, and obtainable. But that’s changed.
I don’t agree with getting a new RB now. Who cares. The players who are actually available are all JAGs just like Singletary.
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Any Realistic Guard Available at Trade Deadline?
in The Stadium Wall
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Colin Brown is available.
Vlad Ducasse.