FireChans
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5 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
I've already acknowledged 2021 was more of a need based drafted about 3 times already. Bringing it up again is completely pointless. Yes, Elam was a need but again, was the last player with a first round grade on their board. Which also means best player on their board at the time. And Tre' was still on the roster, just hurt and there was also a run on CBs going as well but Beane stated, he was the best player on their board. We are not going to see eye to eye on this so we might as well just stop talking about it
Because you said "they usually aren't our top picks," and then followed it up with "Yes Beane did use two firsts and a second on team needs in the last two years but he doesn't draft for need, especially not with our top picks."
Lmao.
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17 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
I'm not trying to split hairs. We didn't need those players. And if you think that someone that's ranked 83rd on their board is someone we would take at the 45th pick because "he's a need" you are seriously mistaken. You don't get good that way. We drafted for need pretty much all the time during the drought and it didn't do much of anything. If he drafts a need player, I guarantee that player is also the best on their board at the time and if it's not, he will pick another player that is
Okay. I disagree.
Entering 2022, our outside CB's were Dane Jackson and Cam Lewis. We needed a CB. And we drafted a CB in the first round.
Entering 2021, our DE's were an older than dirt Jerry Hughes on the last year of his deal, and an older than dirt Mario Addison in year 2 of his frontloaded contract. We needed DE's. And we drafted two of them in the first and second round
I can go on and on lol. This is just silly.
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6 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:
They were in 2021 but not in most drafts. We didn't need Harrison Phillips. We didn't need Ed Oliver, Singletary or Knox, we didn't need James Cook or Terrell Bernard. Outside of Allen, Edmunds and the picks in 2021, they are not usually our top picks
We did need Ed Oliver. We did need Singletary (McCoy was effectively toast). We did need Knox (he started 11 games as a rookie).
We needed DE help. AJE, Greg Roussea, Boogie Basham. We needed CB help. Elam.
At this point you’re just trying to split hairs.
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51 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
Never said he didn't. Every GM does but some do it in earlier rounds. But to me it's irrelevant if those need players are later round draft picks because there are no differences in bpa and need at that point is what I'm saying.
They are usually our top picks.
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4 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
I know what I meant, I didn't explain it the right way. Have you never said something but maybe didn't say it the way you should or left things out? I never meant he never drafts for need, just that he is a more bpa drafting GM. Yes, Beane will draft for a need here and there.
If those those need players were more early round picks, I would moreso agree. I did also acknowledge that 2021 was more of a need based draft
He drafts for need. Sometimes. Period. Lol
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On 9/14/2022 at 9:31 AM, Coach Tuesday said:
Beane doesn't draft for need?
On 9/14/2022 at 9:36 AM, Buffalo03 said:He drafts best player available and if that happens to be a need, he will trade up for the player. Just like he did with Elam
On 9/14/2022 at 9:51 AM, FireChans said:Do you find it curious that in 2020 and 2021 our biggest need was pass rusher and we drafted 3 DE’s in the top 3 rounds?
Or that in 2022 our biggest need was CB and we got one in the first?
Or that our weakest offensive skill position has been RB and we have drafted 3 of them in the top 3 rounds over the last 4 years?
The strategy is easy. Executing it is not.
31 GMs HAVE to fail every year. Everyone can’t win the Super Bowl lol
1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:I never said he never drafts for need based on my definition of what drafting for need is, and the rounds that the players are taken in. But yes, every GM on the planet takes a need player here and there in the draft. But you don't get good by constantly taking need over bpa in early parts of drafts every year
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2 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
Ok, let me say most rounds. Nit necessarily every round. It's just not a correct statement to say "he drafts for need" when 5 out of 7 rounds, he doesn't". If majority of rounds is best player available then he is not a "need drafting gm" for the most part
What would be correct is "Beane sometimes drafts for need."
What is almost certainly untrue is "Beane never drafts for need."
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16 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
For everyone's sake- maybe next time don't mention someone in your comment if you don't know what you're arguing about anymore.
Thank u for defending my honor.
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24 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
I refer drafting for need as doing it in every round, not one or 2 rounds especially later in drafts. I'm sure every gm as the draft goes on will take at least one guy they need. But you can't say he drafts for need if it's 1 or 2 rounds because drafting for need would imply he does it all rounds, especially if those needs are 6th and 7th round draft picks. Those picks are crap shoots anyway. That's a time of the draft where best player available won't matter as much
"I refer drafting for need as doing it in every round"
That's interesting because, like I said, nobody in the NFL does that.
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2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:
Yes, and? the argument was, that he doesn't draft for need.
And that argument is wrong. There are 7 rounds of the draft.
If he drafts for need in 2/7 rounds, is that "not drafting for need?"
No.
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4 hours ago, K-9 said:
Is anyone here seriously under the delusion that building teams is a linear process? Never has been, never will be.
Thank you.
2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:I'm fully aware of this but look at all of his drafts combined. There are a lot of positions we didn't need that we drafted. Beane even said Kaiir was the last player on their board with a first round grade when they took him which just happened to be a need. 2021 was probably the draft he went after need the most. But we didn't need James Cook when we took him, we didn't need Terrell Bernard, we didn't need Shakir. We didn't need Singletary, or Knox or most of the other players that he has taken.
Everyone can say this.
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7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
It's debatable as if we had Diggs before we may have finished with a better record and it would have been tougher to get Allen due to draft positioning etc.
Sure, that's a fair point.
I guess the bottom line is getting the QB is what matters. It doesn't matter if you get him on your team before or after you acquire a Diggs or a star pas rusher. What matters for contention is they are all on the team at the same time.
If EJ turned out to be a star, we would've been in the AFCCG in 2014 because that team was supremely talented at blue chip positions.
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29 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:
You could debate that the Broncos got the QB last.
No that's true. But does the order really matter? Would the Bills be worse today if they got Diggs the year before they got Josh?
Probably not.
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1 minute ago, Rampage said:
Out of all those players, none of them were considered reaches by anyone so you can make the argument that they were all BPA.
Are you making that argument that Rousseau, Boogie, AJE, Singletary, Moss, Cook, Elam were ALL BPA? And they just perfectly and coincidentally fit our team needs?
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12 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:
He drafts best player available and if that happens to be a need, he will trade up for the player. Just like he did with Elam
Do you find it curious that in 2020 and 2021 our biggest need was pass rusher and we drafted 3 DE’s in the top 3 rounds?
Or that in 2022 our biggest need was CB and we got one in the first?
Or that our weakest offensive skill position has been RB and we have drafted 3 of them in the top 3 rounds over the last 4 years?
2 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:So easy that 31 highly knowledgeable GMs fail every year
The strategy is easy. Executing it is not.
31 GMs HAVE to fail every year. Everyone can’t win the Super Bowl lol
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8 hours ago, HardyBoy said:
The bills didn't go qb first though, they traded Mahomes for White and then traded a bunch of players for assets, and used those to trade up for Allen the next year.
I know Beane joined after the draft, and you would have a point that the team didn't actually start rebuilding until Beane joined.
To me there is a huge component in looking for and exploiting value. Allen's lack of coaching, being incredibly smart, being off the charts dedicated and showing he could throw with touch in the Senior bowl after a week of nfl coaching... this really wasn't that difficult of a choice if you had the information and valued the right things.
I don't have a point I don't think, or maybe I do. I haven't slept more than three hours in a night since Friday night, I'm up again and I'm losing my mind a bit 🙃
So if you want to look at some teams that have tried, and had varying degrees of success team building, they all kind of do the same thing. It will never be exactly the same, because teams are never the same.
Chicago got Mitch, then went after Allen Robinson and Khalil Mack.
The Chargers don't need to make a splash for WR like the Bills did after 2019. Because they have Keenan Allen and Mike Williams. But they did make a splash for a pass rusher.
Oakland went out and got Adams and Jones.
The Cowboys had Demarcus Lawrence and went out and got Amari. Then they got CeeDee and Micah Parsons.
I am of the belief that your goal as a GM is acquire blue chips at QB/pass rusher/WR/CB and no horrible deficiencies anywhere else and you've done a good enough job to win a Super Bowl. And most GM's feel the same way, which is why those positions are the 4 highest paid and have the highest trade or draft value.
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2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:
Don’t sleep on the Eagles - this year’s Bengals.Is it weird to feel like they are the 15-16 Bills? Hurts and TT aren’t the same, but they score lots of points without throwing the ball all around the field.
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9 minutes ago, Mango said:
Unpopular opinion, I am over the Kyle Brandt schtick. It is over played and he does all the time for every team and player, even when stuff isn't all that exciting. I don't think he is wrong, and I like the weekly angry run award. But the whole thing is just so forced at this point.
Even if it were a toss up this week between Josh and somebody else, they'd likely pick Josh anyways with the kick off for Brandt's basement and Josh becoming a Tuesday regular.
The whole thing is a poor mans PFT or Pat Mcafee/Aaron Rodgers mixed with way too much WWF promo theatrics.
Kyle Brandt is just trying to get in on the "unserious football bro" gimmick. Problem is that he isn't a former player like McAfee so it comes across as super phony.
McAfee hams it up but I think that's his true personality x 100. Brandt is a total faker.
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4 minutes ago, Breakout Squad said:
The Bills from circa 1997-2017? 🤷
Lol you're right. I meant good teams.
Team building is easy.
QB - passrusher - WR - OL- CB
Get top tier talent at as many of those positions as possible.
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Superbowl
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1 minute ago, DCofNC said:
Excuses don’t matter is about it.. The Broncos should have blown that team out, they allowed it to be close enough to lose it.. input that largely on the terrible game plan/play calling.
It's not an excuse lmao.
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6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
Here’s an interesting tidbit that I’ve never heard before.
Tim Graham recently interviewed former NYC writer Bob Glauber who was close with the old NYG Teams
I was a bit surprised to hear him say that Brandon Beane was a Bill Parcell guy. Earlier in the interview Glauber spoke about how even into his 80’s Parcells informally consults (for free) with teams because he loves the game.
He then says that Brandon Beane is one of those GM’s who use Bill Parcells as a sounding board.
Glauber cites the Parcells influence by stating that the Bills were built in an ”80’s/90’s old school way”. meaning that they started with the QB, built the OL, don’t draft for need etc and when they were close enough made the big move to trade for star a WR and sign a big time pass rusher.
According to Glauber, Parcells was friends with Dan Henning in Carolina when Beane was a scout. They two hit it off and have been in contact since.
Kind of an interesting story because while we’ve heard the influence of GM’s like Dave Gettleman and Marty Hurney, I have yet to see anyone else connect Parcells to Beane. Glauber claimed that Parcell’s imprint is on the way the Bills were built.
Oddly enough Parcells is very close with the Elam family and to no surprise look who Beane’s pick this season was…
you can hear this at 51:00.
"Glauber cites the Parcells influence by stating that the Bills were built in an ”80’s/90’s old school way”. meaning that they started with the QB, built the OL, don’t draft for need etc and when they were close enough made the big move to trade for star a WR and sign a big time pass rusher. "
What teams don't build this way?
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12 minutes ago, ganesh said:
We could play them again in the SB early next year, They are still the best team in a very weak NFC. They are still IMHO better than Tampa Bay and Green Bay.
They ain't the best team in the NFC.
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3 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Yah, if he really deserved a "9" grade, Josh woulda had to have gotten the ball out in 0.7 seconds, not 2.7 seconds.
PFF is pretty good for some things, and pretty sketchy for stuff like OL blocking where they really don't know for sure who had what assignment.
How could somebody who watched Brady for 20 years beat the Bills not understand that rapid passing eliminates basically every pass rusher regardless?
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42 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:
Wow, a 9 for pass blocking? I mean, there were a few times when Josh held the ball longer, but Bates wasn’t a tire fire. A 9 would suggest he had an outing like Colin Brown, but I didn’t think he was that much of a liability.
He got beat a bunch. It didn't matter because Josh got it out fast. Good gameplanning to neutralize AD. Rick won't play him again.
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‘It’s Over!‘: LeSean McCoy Rips Patriots Head Coach
in The Stadium Wall
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I always knew you were a Texan at heart.