FireChans
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27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
It's hard to believe that PFF "sensationalizes" its articles to get a rise out of Bills fans. As click bait, I doubt fans from any other team would bother to click on that article...at all.
They have a formula for WAR. They applied it to Bills players for a certain time frame.
This topic probably isn’t to get a rise out of Bills fans.
Posting an argument about who would you take Trubisky or Allen today was clear as day trolling.
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23 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
I would literally only do it for mahomes
Outrageous take.
Just now, MJS said:Dak has been there since 2016 (four seasons) and they have missed the playoffs twice and won only a single playoff game (wild card round), despite all the talent.
Do i have to break out the pre-Dak and post-Dak Jason Garrett stats again?
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59 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:
A guy who writes articles on fansided states the Bills should trade for Dak as he is a significant upgrade over Josh and would push the Bills to the next level and he says the Bills can throw in a few
draft picks as well...I often wonder did they watch the Thanksgiving game I think the Cowboys would drive Dak to he airport for that deal
The one thing I know about NFL GM's is they definitely compare QB's career trajectories after one head to head game.
23 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:When you factor in contract and everything else there probably aren’t 5 QBs in the league that I’d trade Josh for. Watson, Mahomes, Lamar, Murray and maybe Russell Wilson (although he’d almost age out).
I agree with your list, except I don't consider WIlson a maybe, but instead a definite. He's not that old, and he's probably the second best QB in football, IMO.
If you'd expand the argument to "who would you trade Josh for to make a 1 year run" the list is a lot longer.
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45 minutes ago, MJS said:
Dak is significantly more proven than Allen. He's a good QB. But trading for him doesn't make sense because then WE would have to give him the monster deal he is looking for.
And Dak doesn't have upside. He's consistently pretty good, but he doesn't have that next level ability. I mean, the Cowboys are loaded with talent on offense, including a really good oline, and they still haven't made a playoff run.
Allen is fairly unproven and has his areas he needs to improve upon, but I think he does have a high upside and tons of natural ability.
What does this mean?
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1 hour ago, Doc said:
I think the issues were Thielen taking away a lot of targets as well as going to more of a run-oriented game. I don't think there will be any question he's the #1 WR with the Bills.
Almost certainly that was the problem. The question is will the Bills be run oriented in 2020? I think so. Will Diggs get enough targets? He got 94 last year, our #1 got 115. I hope he gets enough.
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19 minutes ago, Doc said:
Either I didn't hear it or I forgot about it quickly.
9 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/01/stefon-diggs-vikings-saints-nfc-wild-card-helmet-cousins-tantrumHere are a couple things that happened with him last season. For the record, I was still a big supporter of the trade. Making it was no brainer for the Bills IMO. Great move. But my only caveat was that it does carry some risk due to how things went with Diggs and Cousins. Still, you make that deal. This stuff was the only reason he was available at all.
Yeah, some kind of friction or conflict is the reason that him and Hopkins were available.
I loved the deal. Diggs is absolutely worth the risk and trade comp and I'm hoping he gets 150 targets a year and everyone wins.
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11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Is there any other team putting something like this together? I haven't seen it reported anywhere, but I don't pay too close attention to teams that aren't the Bills.
Dwayne Haskins was doing something similar a week or so ago.
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3 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:
How bout we talk about drafting receivers who actually catch the ball with their hands.....naturally and effortlessly ?
The routes need some work but routes don’t catch the ball.... hands do.
It’s practice lol
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2 hours ago, Doc said:
Hopkins was traded for even less. Like Diggs, never heard much bad (and the bad I heard wasn't all that bad) about him until the trade went down.
You didn’t hear anything bad about Diggs last season? There’s a reason he was bandied about as a trade possibility in the season. Hopkins was not.
Diggs was getting fined and tweeting cryptic stuff early last year. That’s why we inquired in the first place.
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5 hours ago, eball said:
Nobody from the McD era was going to make this list because they were only here for 30% of the decade.
It’s a completely inane discussion to come up with an MVP for a lost decade.
4 hours ago, NoSaint said:
micah made itNot to mention, Fitz was here 30% of the decade. Tyrod 30%. Stevie only started for 4 years.
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Man this is pretty bad. I hope this doesn’t escalate to gunfire.
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4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:
ah. I see where are lines are crossing. You are taking that quote to mean I’ve said he played well in all three of those games. Obviously he did not. Those were great defenses.the quote is supposed to go along with the original stats showing each players first half of the season vs second half of the season. Basically I am showing that Allen improved in the second half overall while having to also play against the toughest defenses duri g that second half span.
no he did not have good games against Pitt or Baltimore. But even with those two stinkers he played a tiny bit better than Minshew to finish off the second half of the season.
that is my entire point.
i can see where it was confusing with how I typed that so thank you for clarifying.
True.
Also true is that he regressed as he got more reps and more teams got film on him.There was once a young QB who regressed as he got more reps and film. His last 6 games, he threw 5 TD’s to 7 INT’s at the end of his rookie year. Since then, he’s thrown 81 TD’s to 21 picks. Do you know who he is?
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2 hours ago, Billl said:
Being an NFL player is first and foremost a career. Your teammates don’t pay your bills. “Next man up” sounds great until you’re the man who went down. I can’t blame anyone for getting theirs. Neither do their teammates 90% of the time. Hell, they’re usually being advised by the same agent.
The Steelers lost too. They’d have made the playoffs with Bell and Brown.
They offered him above market value. Not sure what else they could have done.
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4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:
Oakland? Most definitely not.Atlanta. Probably not.
Indianapolis? Week 17? Playing on the road? Certainly possible. Heck, would be interesting to see how many of the regular defensive starters even played the usual number of snaps for the Colts in that game.
On the flip side I know for certain none of Allen’s opponents in his final three starts laid down or made personnel changes you would make near the end of a loss season.
And the other half of the puzzle was the defensive rankings for those 3 teams vs the 3 Allen faced. And that’s the most important piece of the puzzle obviously.
Minshew didn’t have a full TC as a starter and wasn’t supposed to even start. And he was a rookie. Other important pieces of the puzzle.
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9 minutes ago, Billl said:
So you think those teams laid down, but for some reason the Jags didn’t. It’s really amazing the contortion act people will go through in order to discount the fact that a late round rookie who was never groomed to be the starter threw for a higher completion percentage, more yards, more TDs, and fewer INTs than Allen. 1 yard TD runs define QB success. (Ever wonder if maybe the reason Daboll calls Josh’s number from the goal line so often when seemingly every other OC hands it to the RB is to pad the stats of the guy his bosses staked their careers on?)
Yeah but how did Minshew do in games where him, and his two starting WR’s started and finished?
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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Diggs isn’t smiling. Is he on the block yet?
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48 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
That’s great and all but where tf is dimarco
He’s off screen downfield 50 yards double covered by Ochocinco and AB. Why do you think Beasley and Diggs got so open?
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52 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
In hindsight it would have been smart. But at the time we had no QB and little cap space. It isn't just letting Woods walk, that was just one example out of many tough decisions the Bills needed to make to get out of their cap problem. And they've executed the plan perfectly. There have been missteps along the way but right now you can't complain about the way our cap is structured. If Allen takes another step we're a championship caliber team right now.
They didn’t really have that many tough decisions to make. Sammy was walking after 2017, they got out a year earlier for minimal short term savings, similar with Darby. The Dareus trade at midseason accelerated his hit, but there was no plan to be competitive in 2018. Darby was on a rookie deal. We still signed Poyer and Hyde that offseason, and Hyde got a decent contract. We let Gilmore walk which opened up a good chunk of space.
A cursory analysis proves that keeping Woods wouldn’t have been cap prohibitive AT ALL. In fact, almost none of our moves were cap prohibitive that offseason outside Dareus, whose cap hit took two years to clear.
They cleared the roster with the goal of getting rid of players they didn’t want. They barely saved anything by ditching players at the end of their rookie deals and replacing them with players making similar money.
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2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:
This year will tell a whole lot about Josh Allen. As I said in another thread, they are a Super Bowl contender if he improves, if not they’ll I’d bet a lot of money they try and convince Cam to sign on for the 2021 season.
Stafford is a more intriguing target. Someone we know can run an offense, and can win if he’s paired with a decent team around him. Cam is riskier at this point imo.
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7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
I would of loved to see Woods stay in Buffalo but there was no way that was happening.
He didn't want to be here even if they wanted him.
Possibly true, but it’s undoubtedly true that keeping him would have been a good decision if they could have.
They didn’t need Woods and his $12M cap hit over two seasons to walk to rebuild the Bills.
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1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:
They were still very much alive in the playoff race.... either way I’m not sure what this has to do with Minshew and Allen.
Bro don’t bother. No other young QB will get credit with some folks due to Allen insecurity. Folks out here acting like Deshaun Watson is a 10 year pro, and guys like Murray and Minshew didn’t have good rookie campaigns. It’s pointless.
We saw this same thing with Mahomes, Wentz etc. They had a bad day at camp and it was proof they were worse than Tyrod or whatever.
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3 hours ago, HappyDays said:
I don't think "they could have kept Woods if they wanted to" is the same as "they didn't have a cap problem". Sure they could have kept Woods, just like the Saints could have and did sign Jairus Byrd. It just wouldn't have been smart. Our cap problem was that we had very little cap space and were not anywhere near a championship caliber roster. The main reason was that we didn't have a championship caliber QB and they didn't get here in time to even draft one the first year. McDermott and Beane immediately recognized a 3 year rebuilding project. 3 years away from a championship team with less than $20 million in cap space counts as a cap problem.
Woods is a 1k yard receiver on the 37th highest WR contract by AAV, below Brown AND Beasley. Keeping him wouldn’t have been smart? WHAT
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4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
If your concern is that they are going out for drinks after and Brown is capable of anything in his private life, cool. I’ll 100% buy that. If your concern is that he will turn Diggs into a toxic person in the locker room, I’m sorry not buying that. His legendary work ethic is a great thing for Diggs to be around. The fact that he has had the game taken from him is a good lesson for Diggs. If they are out at the club, I wouldn’t like that either. Trouble follows Brown in his personal life. He’s ready, fire, aim.
Jordan Poyer is on the plane right now, tracing Diggs’ Instagram story to find Brown.
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Just now, K-9 said:
That’s not the way the posts up thread read. But I get your explanation.
Diggs gets a bad rap in that regard. And context matters a lot. But if he starts spouting off, F him.
The coaches gave up on EJ before Woods did, but Manuel didn’t do himself any favors.
My contention has always been that Josh has shown enough good thing to like his chances as our QB without diving deep into weird stats that are ultimately meaningless, and he’s shown enough questionable things that you can nit pick some stuff without criticizing him for how he can’t throw the left deep out in away NFC North games when it’s sunny in Buffalo.
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Prescott for Allen
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Saying you’d only trade Allen today for Mahomes and no other QB is out of this world. Sorry dude.