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Um, it’s a fact that preceded 2023. Like Allen’s whole tenure as a franchise QB. I went through every loss since 2020 Do you want me to link you the numbers? When I prove that Allen failed to get us a lead more than McD blew one, will you say uncle? I don’t mind. Like I said, it doesn’t surprise me that Bills fans don’t believe it. They think Allen walks on water and McD can’t tie his shoes.

No worries just include rushing TD’s but not fumbles . Superman best QB ever has 9 fumbles to Pat’s 11. In 8 less games lmao. This is your GOAT

I linked the convo so you can follow along better. I never said Allen has 4th Q garbage numbers. I said he lost more games by failing to get us a lead in the 4th more than McD lost a lead. It’s a fact. It’s great he has a nice QBR in the fourth. It doesn’t change the statement above. Back to the sandbox.

Mahomes clears. Completion% Mahomes TD/TO Mahomes Wins Mahomes Passer rating Mahomes QBR Mahomes Rings Mahomes GWD Mahomes 4QC Mahomes Patty Cake has 5 rushing tuddies too. Along with another 16 passing lmao.

Josh Allen has really good numbers in the 4th Q. Cool article that has nothing to do with your dubious “facts.” It’s 100% true. I can post you the data if you’d like.

You don’t have the facts. You are guessing at numbers that you vaguely remember. Outrageous argument. Incorrect. 0/10.

Find me the actual facts to dispute? Lmao, what is this.

So let’s go back. Claypool has been garbage since 2021 but he might be good. Pitts and Mooney had good years in 2021 but they suck now. all of this despite Mooney getting paid in FA and both Pitts and Mooney playing with the worst QBs in football. and of course, CLAYPOOL being shown the door by like 3 teams in 2 years. any reason why the takes are so different except that CLAYPOOL is a Bill and those two aren’t? RAS score?

Dumb members of the media.

Okay. What 5 teams do they rank higher than?

I think Bills fans at large would be shocked to find out Allen fails to win games far more often than McD loses them. The way the speak about both parties is exhibit A. McD is a choke artist and Allen is Mr. Clutch. Lmao.

Okay so you think that this is a bottom 5-6 WR group is a reasonable take. WTF are we even arguing then lol.

Overwhelming trend with a league filled with bums like Mac Jones and Gardner Minshew? Probably. Overwhelming trend with elite QB’s? Probs not.

Speak subjectively. If you want to dispute someone else’s subjective opinion that this is a bottom 5 group, post your own.

Okay. I am not comfortable with their talent level. I think they are full of guys who actually kinda suck and/or are unproven and/or who are limited compared to the NFL at large. I think anyone who argues to the contrary but also won’t rate their talent compared to the NFL at large is at best a coward and at worst completely dishonest.

We lose more games needing Josh to get a score in the fourth than we do blowing 4thQ leads fyi.

It’s about the talent at the position relative to the rest of the NFL ie our competition to win the Lombardi trophy If you don’t care about how good the WR’s are, go ahead and have that take.

Just list the teams you think are better or worse than the Bills WR’s. If your subjective take is that we are the 10th best group or whatever, post it. If you won’t, it just means you don’t really believe it lol.

Cover1 can write more articles on how it’s impossible to trade Diggs until after 2025.

The primary point… that it’s coaching. Not that losses and rushing yards allowed have been correlated since like 1924. Couldn’t be. McD should have broken Tua’s knees during the bye week, so the Bills had no challengers for the playoffs. Herbert got hurt because of how great the Chiefs were, his index finger snapped right in half vs the Broncos because of Andy Reid. Like I said, back to the drawing board.

Josh doesn’t even have the best playoff numbers of active players. that anonymous NFL executive must read TBD.

obviously, it must have changed for KC because their coaches sucked this year? The difference has gotta be coaching. Oh wait. Lmao. Btw, we were the second seed, higher than KC. We were guaranteed playoffs going into week 18. I guess KC having 3 dog ***** teams in their division is just because of just how good they are. If the Bills were better, the Dolphins wouldn’t have made the playoffs. Except for the whole 2-0 thing against them. Your takes are usually well-reasoned, but this one sucks. Back to the workshop.

Chicago too high, Bengals too low, Packers too high, Falcons too high, Chiefs too high, Bucs too low, Bills bottom five just right.

It’s certainly possible. If it doesn’t, we can make the WR group even worse, and say “maybe this is the year.” Lol

Yes yes, we have heard “win now and win in the future” as Beano’s philosophy for 4-5 seasons. That philosophy only works if you win now. We are now into the fifth season of Josh Allen’s dominant era, and the 7th of his career and we have played in one conference title game in a blow out loss. It might be time to double down and try to get one as fast as possible. For all we know, Josh starts to fall apart at 30 and our window snaps shut.