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Yeah, I just watched the play again. Immediately grimacing and kicking his feet? You mean after he goes limp and doesn't protect his (lied about) broken hand at all? The defender has his legs in his grasp. Also, do you think it's kinda suspicious that the dude has said every injury except the one would keep him out of the game? I don't know if you've hand a broken hand or not. But conscious, non-head trauma people usually protect their broken hands, not let them drag along the floor. I hope you're right FWIW. I hope we don't see this video plastered all over everything about how it was clearly a lie that Allen's ankle/chest were just hurt after bouncing his head off the turf and going limp.

Tua passed the protocol at the time and played the next week. Here's what the NFL and NFLPA said, after Tua suffered his "first" concussion the next week against the Bengals. As Tagovailoa recovered from the concussion suffered against Cincinnati, the NFL and NFL Players Association said in a joint statement that steps should have prevented him from reentering against the Bills. While "the step-by-step process outlined in the concussion protocol was followed," the statement said, "the outcome in this case was not what was intended." https://sports.yahoo.com/tua-tagovailoas-latest-concussion-know-153800584.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAEs-D0qaNx2IMr9rw1RwT5rFQU-kvIo5osiEp-7Eg7VmXh857bzfsJ1U4CVvgYpVrc0iSy6DM2rL8D-3Abix5iJTNRpSXfjGXmg9e_oaLhKiA_zlOVfmsnaSUAt9q7OM3dkxLgBTY1phWFzXYr6PCrciHxZBzcfn4I3O2E3GiFb So the reason I want to know your stance on the Dolphins is really simple. Because Tua cleared protocol with a back injury. No one was "sure" they did anything wrong until after the fact. If you opined that Tua's injury was "obvious" in hindsight, but that the Bills are completely in the clear because Josh Allen cleared their "protocols" (that have failed with disastrous consequences in the past), I would find that contradictory at best. I don't know if Josh had a concussion or not. I don't know if he was knocked out or not. I know from watching that I was personally suspicious he was concussed. I also know that he was reported as "cleared" which hasn't meant much historically when it comes to the NFL. So the definitive nature of "He was cleared! He obviously didn't have a concussion" fall apart with even basic scrutiny. Obviously that's my opinion. Hope the kid is okay. Hope he doesn't exit with another head injury that makes this discourse look really really silly after the fact. We have unfortunately seen it before.

Historically, BB has been very complimentary of Hyde and Poyer and their ability to disguise coverage FWIW.

Tbh, I want to know the takes of everybody when Tua suffered a back injury two years ago before I listen to how definitive the lack of evidence is here.

Imagine how much worse off we would be without Beane the Wizard (tm)

We wouldn't get any value from a 2025 6th round pick right now either.

I don't light uncontrollable grease fires at my house. I used to be a firefighter and it's the right thing to do

"This guy has a big contract, is always hurt and he's 30. Let's make an explosive trade for serious draft capital."

Exactly. That's why projections based on years past YPT and average pass attempts don't work. Projections now would say that Josh Allen will basically have barely a better year than Bryce Young did last year. That likely won't be the case and there's a million reasons why. Just like it was never going to be the case that Josh was going to throw for 4500 yards with this group on the lowest attempt total he's had since 2019. It's faulty analysis.

Just so we're clear with why projections like this don't work. Football isn't played on a spread sheet, this isn't baseball or basketball. Let's look at the pace now Josh Allen is on pace for 445 attempts through 5 games. Target breakdowns: Cook - 44.2 Shakir - 64 Samuel - 44.2 Coleman - 54.4 Knox - 17 Kincaid - 81.6 MVS - 30.6 Mack - 57.8 YPT on the year so far: Cook - 10.9 (479.6) Shakir - 12.1 (774.4) Samuel - 3.7 (163.5) Coleman - 10.9 (594) Knox - 6.0 (102) Kincaid - 6.9 (563) MVS - 2.9 (88.74) Mack - 4.3 (248.5) That puts Josh at a whopping 3013.74 yards passing. Which would be the second lowest total of his career, just in front of 2018 (he only played 11 games that season). That would have been smack dab between Russell Wilson and Bryce Young last year for a passing total.

Honestly, I highly recommend starting from page 1 and reading this thread. Highly entertaining. Not as good as the "Diggs cryptic tweets" thread but it's up there. Gold star for this one on page 2. This is knowing ball, the post.

The 2017 team wasn't the 15 or 16 teams. They intentionally traded their talent away for picks. They had the 29th ranked offense in the NFL. The 22nd ranked defense. Both units were 23rd in points per drive. They were negative in point differential at -57 (worst of all playoff teams). They were, quite literally, god awful and easily the worst playoff team that year.

Swap WR groups even with the Nico injury and the Bills win by 30 imo.

A QB breaking their hand week 1 hurdling defenders, then bruising or breaking ribs week 4 on the worst trick play of all time, then smacking their head and playing with a "chest" injury is looking "off." I don't think this is a mystery.

Very glad he found Allen. A total feather in his cap. Just like McD getting that god awful team to the playoffs in 2017. Thanks for the memories. We can send them both rings when we win one. Speaking of guys who got fired after finding a franchise QB and doing their damnedest to ruin him.... https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=ryan+grigson

Then they can both lockstep to the bread line!

You fire both, let the new regime get at pick 19 which will probably be the best pick we get in the Josh Allen era, and go from there. Beane wasn't in charge at Carolina, I never said he was. He was a part of that org. That org consistently failed to put WR talent around Cam and asked him to be Superman far too often. They loved big slows at WR and overspent constantly on DL. That sounds awful familiar. Like I said, there's no evidence that Beane is this forward thinker that was disagreeing with Gettleman and now McD. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. You won't offer any evidence because you can't. The only reason you can believe that is because you want to pin everything on McD. It's far far far far more likely that he is cut from the same cloth as his contemporaries from Carolina and is following that playbook here because that's where he cut his football teeth and what he actually believes. This is inarguable. There's a reason McD hired him as the GM in the first place. I don't think it was because Beane had vastly different team-building ideas. That would make no sense. Both are the wrong fit, both were a part of the regime than ruined Cam and are now actively ruining Josh running the same playbook. It's ova, show them the door. Also, Ryan Grigson. Let me know when you want to address that.

There is exactly zero evidence that Beane is being put in chokehold by McDermott to fail at WR. The FO's Beane was a part of in Carolina also failed at WR. Cam won MVP throwing to Tedd Ginn and Devin Funchess. McD wasn't calling the shots out there. Again, build the Ryan Grigson statue. He got the QB situation right. Sure, he was absolute garbage otherwise, got his generational QB killed and injured season after season, and heavily contributed to that QB leaving the team and football all together before 30 years old. But he got the QB situation right. Batting 1.000. You're also wrong about carrying water. Beane and McD have to go. Beane has shown me nothing that proves he deserves a shot without McD's influence. Toss them both, hire Ben Johnson and let him pick a GM we know he aligns with, don't saddle him with more Carolina team-builders who are gonna focus on 100 defensive lineman to play gap control.

Ryan Grigson should have been GM for life. More right than wrong shouldn't be the standard. Furthermore, the 2024 team doesn't look "more right than wrong." Who looks right on this roster? I'm not sure we have more good players than bad players or question marks on the field. Ultimately, the WR problem is too much to ignore. Put it another way. Hypothetically, if the Bills had a garbage QB, and failed to chase a QB in a meaningful way for 3-4 years, you would say that's egregious. It's clearly the most important position, the Bills can't just ignore it. Now WR's aren't as important as QB, but they are arguably the second most important (along with EDGE/pass rush). Imagine if the Bills had garbage EDGE players. And they just keep taking RB's and safeties and 1T DT's and LB's instead of EDGE for 3-4 years. Again, you would say that's a huge problem. Its the same thing with WR's, WR's are just newly considered more important than they used to be. But Beane was raised in Carolina, where garbage at WR was the playbook du jour. He had an uncharacteristic stretch where he actually thought they were important, but forgot again. The hit rate on individual draft picks is fine, but that's not what matters. If you are a GM in the NFL in 2024, and your most important players are not QB, EDGE, WR, LT, CB and your least important positions aren't RB, S, OG, you are a complete and total dinosaur, I don't care if you find a good RB in the second round more often than others. And your issue with the Eagles are misplaced. The Eagles are super talented with a terrible coach. I would trade rosters with them sans QB in about 2 seconds. They are wasting a really talented team with Sirianni who is Brandon Staley East.

Well that's the thing about Beane. Ford over Metcalf is one move. As a one-off in a vacuum, you can just say "all GM's miss." But the problems with the Bills today are from YEARS and YEARS of bad process. And bad process is unforgivable.

I wonder if the media thing picks up steam, Terry will actually start to think it. No one would argue that he's been exactly HC patient.

I think you are right.

This is the "we overachieved" answer. This is the "future is actually brighter" answer.

Emphatically, NO. Listen, Brandon Beane isn't the worst GM in football. But there are enough glaring flaws that he DESERVES to fall out of grace. Let's do a history rewind. Because the story of the 2024 Bills wasn't just written in 2024. In the NFL, a team can have a bad draft and win a Superbowl that same year. The truly bad decisions and the fallout from them is literally YEARS in the making. Folks think our salary cap issues started in 2024. They didn't, they started much much earlier, because Beane is wasteful. Beane throws around money to washed NFL JAGs all the time. He gave Settle $9M. He gave $6M to Saffold after being the worst OG in football for a season. He gave Von Miller massive money, which failed. He gave Diggs a massive contract extension with 2 years left on his deal, then traded him before his extension even kicked in. He gave Lae'l Collins $5M GTD to come to camp this year, who was then promptly cut, a year after Collins was a practice squad player. Brandon Beane in 2017 - 2020 had money to burn. They had no gigantic contracts. Hyde and Poyer were on financially great deals for the Bills, and Josh and Tre's big money didn't even really kick in yet. Beane could afford to overpay a bit for mediocre to average players and it was basically his strategy. Who can forget signing a bunch of OL to medium money and trading whoever didn't work out for a 5th at camp cutdowns? It's a strategy that works when you expect $60M in space year after year. Not one that works when the belt tightens. Not only that, he had a roster where he couldn't lose. When the team was torn down to the studs in 17-18, it didn't matter who Beane drafted. He could draft virtually ANY position and fill a need. @BADOLBILZ has talked about this a lot, when every position is a need, it becomes much simpler to draft. Anybody you select is going to fill a gaping hole and be a solid pick at the very least. This also doesn't work when your team needs to be smart about value because the belt tightens and you are trying to win a Super Bowl, not win 10 games and be a WC appearance. Beane isn't a horrendous drafter. But he has horrendous strategies that are not just obvious in hindsight, but obvious at the time. Since 2019, the Bills have spent 2 third round picks, a second round pick and a 4th round pick on running backs. Only 2 of those players are on the team today, and one of them was traded before his contract was even up. Honestly, if any of those picks go to virtually any other position, who knows what the 2024 Bills look like. The decision tree gets obliterated by bad positional value. If we take a CB worth a damn, do we not reach on Elam? If we take a WR worth a damn, do we not get held over a barrel with Diggs' extension to make him happy? No one can know, but what we do know is that we have spent an inordinate amount of resources on a position that NFL has told us for 5 years is the worst position to invest in. So then we get to WR's and this is the brunt of it. Brandon Beane used to value good WR's. He brought in Brown for solid money. He brought in Beasley for solid money. He traded for Diggs on top of those dudes when the time was right and drafted a really good 4th WR in Gabe Davis. And then he forgot about WR's. He cut John Brown and brought in an old Emmanuel Sanders in 2021 who basically washed out of the league midway through the season. In 2022, he also hands out an extension to Diggs here because he knows without Diggs, this group sucks. They elevated Gabe to #2 and cut Beasley in favor of bums like McKenzie as WR3 in 2022, desperately realized the WR position was a disaster and BROUGHT BACK the corpses of John Brown and Cole Beasley midseason. There could be no greater evidence the WR group was a disaster when you are doing things like that midseason. But then we get to the next offseason, and our boy again forgets about WR's again and goes Dalton Kincaid in a trade-up, just after giving Knox a big money extension. He adds another throw away fifth round pick at WR. And then trots out this disaster when it goes to hell. It all spirals from there. The mishandling of the WR position for 3 straight years is the real catalyst. The decision to extend Diggs because we had no WR talent, to not prepare at all for Gabe's departure, to not address the position that quickly became the second highest paid position in the sport is legitimately probably the cause ~80% of our issues today. Why do our WR's suck this year? Because Beane mishandled the WR room and hasn't drafted enough good ones (RB room is good but it doesn't help when we are down 20) Why do we have no cap space? Because Beane mishandled the WR room and was forced to pay Diggs and then trade him before the extension kicked in. If we have cap space and some good WR's going into 2024, are we even having a conversation if Beane sucks or not? No. Beane screwed the pooch. And the sad thing is, it was PREDICTABLE. He is a solid GM with fundamental flaws that will be the figurative death of him. Whaley with a different coat of paint. Go hire an Eagles AGM who understands how the game is played. NEXT.

Complaining about the OC not calling more passes when our QB was 9/30 through the air is very funny to me.