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correct. I find the odds that the Bills simultaneously found the best HC and the best GM and the best QB in their franchise history to be astronomical. I find the odds the Bills found some relatively competent guys at HC and GM and they look much better because they found the best QB in franchise history to be much higher. Like infinitely higher. The Chiefs are having a down year after going to 5 of the last 6 Superbowls. They are not worse than us ha ha. The history of the NFL proves this is just false. The Colts went from playoff team to picking 1st overall because Peyton missed a year. The Pats missed the playoffs when Tom Brady missed a season, even with the greatest coach ever. The Pats franchise imploded when they lost Brady in FA, even at a hundred years old. And that to me is the point. The Pats are "back" because they have Drake Maye playing at a high level. Vrabel is a very good coach. Dan Quinn is fine. When Dan Quinn's rookie QB was playing like an MVP, they went to their conference championship. We will see how far the Pats go. But what matters the most is how good Drake Maye ends up being. Daniels and Stroud couldn't sustain high levels of play and/or health.

Ken Dorsey has put out better offenses too. You are using Josh Allen stats to prove the wrong thing imo. The fact of the matter is that after Daboll (McD's last outside coordinator hire who he had never worked with previously) was hired 8 years ago, Sean McDermott has not hired a single coordinator that didn't come up with the Bills. He promoted Dorsey, who despite having Josh Allen and still putting up a great offense, sucked. He then promoted Brady who literally got the job because he pounded the rock, threw Josh's body at defenses, and basically transitioned us into a boring offensive football team. Every year this team has an OC opening, the absolute hottest OC candidates want it. How could they not? This isn't Andy Reid or Shanny or KOC or McVay calling the plays while the OC gets coffee. This is a defensive head coach's team with a future HoF QB. It should be a top 3 job destination for an OC every year. But instead, Dorsey and Brady get the job because they are here and do what the HC wants. Those are just the facts.

Um, HC's call and hire their coordinators, not the other way around. Todd Monken didn't call Harbaugh..... The only coordinator McD hired that he didn't already know personally was Daboll and he ended up HATING the guy.

It's incredible. Vrabel getting to the AFCCG with Ryan Tannehill and the 1 seed in the AFC with Ryan Tannehill is no better than anything McD has done is wild stuff. I am trying to give our board members grace. These folks convinced themselves that Tyrod or EJ or Trent or Thad Lewis was the answer at QB. They are capable of believing anything. They don't face the reality until it's already past. Does anyone admit to being a massive Tyrod fan nowadays? We had hundreds of them while he was here. When McD is inevitably fired, you won't be able find one of his fans. His name will be anathema and his biggest supporters will disappear like a mist.

It's not an obsession. It's a spin zone. There is a difference.

Shavers is a great blocker. Stallworth could never.

He looks very legit. I don’t love him in the division. But we also saw this play out before. New OC and young talented QB have been crowned prematurely. CJ Stroud and Jayden Daniels both exploded on the scene and looked every bit as good as Drake has this year.

We were picking top 10 for YEARS. We missed the playoffs for 17 seasons. I guess when McD made the playoffs in 2017, he had a set hand too, right?

Man the Pats are just a good football team. They have looked this way much of the year. Just taking bad teams to the woodshed.

How many years did we languish with top 10 picks when Sean took over? What bizarre commentary. I don’t even believe you believe this.

Sure thing Tre White - 1st rounder Hairston - 1st rounder Bishop - 2nd rounder Oliver - 1st rounder Rousseau - 1st rounder AJE - 2nd rounder Shaq Thompson - 1st rounder Joey Bosa - 1st rounder wait did I misunderstand the question

Put all your net worth on "Josh Allen over 0.5 laterals in the playoffs" and thank me later. Thielen is not a slot guy. Just because you are a white WR doesn't mean you are Wes Welker.

I guess when I see "perennial contender" I think of a team that has a reasonable chance to compete for a Super Bowl. That was not the 2017 Bills. That was not the 2021 Patriots. That was not the 2019-2025 Steelers. The window for perennial contender is opened by a QB, not a head coach. Which is why despite McD/Tomlin and the greatest coach of all time, those teams weren't serious. The reason the Bills have a reasonable chance to compete for a Super Bowl, every year, since 2020, is because of the guy wearing 17. Give McD Mac Jones and semi-retired Cam Newton, and he can make some 8-9 win magic and get blown out in the WC round every once in a while for sure. Woo hoo.

???? Do you think he's a far better coach than Tomlin? Or Bill Belicheck? McD would be great for a crappy organization to become a serious team. But unless he can take Josh Allen with him, he isn't turning any team into a perennial contender. That's just not how it works.

the objectively correct answer. I like our chances vs anyone else in the AFC. If we fall short, so be it. I hate our chances vs KC. Any matchup vs them is an L. Even if we did the unthinkable and beat KC in the divisional round, the team would feel like they won the Superbowl and probably get boat raced the next week.