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3 minutes ago, djp14150 said:
Remember…
Bills trades 9th, 2015 1st and 4th to Cleveland for 4th to pick Watkins
I still get PTSD from time to time thinking about how many draft picks the Bills gave up for him….what did we all end up deciding it was? 7 picks? 12 picks? It seemed to grow by the day
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12 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:
Brees was a stat padder and turned the ball over a lot. He may have had 1 season where he was worthy of supplanting Brady or Manning or Rodgers.
Sounds exactly like Burrow this season 🤷♂️
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28 minutes ago, Doc said:
Burrow has some serious weapons on offense in Chase, Higgins and Gesicki, and even Iosivas and Chase Brown. But if his defense hadn't let him down and the refs didn't screw them against the Chefs, they'd be in the playoffs.
That doesn't make him an MVP candidate though. I mentioned this before, but Drew Brees routinely threw for over 5,000 yards, but he was never a serious candidate for MVP until the defense around him improved. Burrow isn't putting up the stats Brees was so he's in the same boat.
The guy's stats HAVE to contribute to the team consistently winning. Again, Burrow's stats aren't even record breaking, they are just good stats
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43 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
Going to get flamed here, but in most other years Allen is the runaway MVP. He yet may still win it this year. This is the best he has ever played. No player means more to his team than Allen does, even Barkley. Being the first NFL QB to get 40 TDs 5 years in a row is unreal, but MVP is a single season - regular season award.
Lamar Jackson going for 4000 yards and 900 rushing has never been done before - I know 17 games vs 16 but it is still unprecedented. He has 13 more TD passes than Allen and his TD/INT ratio is ridiculous. His passer rating is 18 points higher than Allen's. This season is also the best he has ever played.
Burrow leads the league in passing yards and TDs, and has a higher passer rating than Allen. He has lead his team with one of the worst defenses in the league to a possible playoff spot. You can make an argument even with how great Jackson has been, Burrow has been the better QB.
Barkley's rushing season is more historic than Allen's. His season is 8th best all time, and he is one decent carry away from a top 5 all time season.
In any other year Allen is MVP, but in this one year you can make a case he isn't even in the top 3.
Seriously, this Burrow crap needs to stop. Leading the league in passing yards and touchdowns doesn’t mean you’re the MVP of the league. There’s no way you can convince me that someone with half a mind of their own, someone who is not just parroting what they hear on tv/radio, actually thinks Burrow is a serious MVP candidate. You are clearly only looking at stats with absolutely ZERO context whatsoever. The guy isn’t even setting any records, he’s just having a good statistical season.
So clearly all of these amazing stats Burrow has had the Bengals as the 1 seed right?
No? Well then they are the 2 or 3 seed and have won their division, I have to be right there, aren’t I?No? Oh well then fine, they are at least in the playoffs, because we know these stats translated to his team consistently winning throughout the season….right?
No again?!?! You mean to tell me the Bengals STILL need 2 teams to lose today, on the final day of the season, just for them to make the Playoffs??
Have I gotten my point across because I laid it on pretty thick
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2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:
The Ravens are averaging the 2nd most yards per play in league history.
Again, Josh will likely win, but it's hard to dismiss the historical season Lamar is having.
I feel bad for Burrow and Saquon.
I don’t-it’s not like the guy is setting records while his team sucks. Drew Brees was routinely throwing for 5,000+ yards and no one was arguing he should’ve been the MVP during those seasons
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10 minutes ago, JMM said:
Oh I didn't see this or the thread when it originally occurred. Well, a fella can dream ..😁
Especially when you aren’t willing to give up a first for him, you are DEFINITELY dreaming
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9 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:
Maye threw an INT in the end zone, Stephenson fumbled in Bills territory and Stephenson gave the Bills a TD from his own 10. There’s 14-17 points the Pats literally handed the Bills after leading at halftime. The Pats were outplaying the Bills at that point and would have beaten them like Mac did last year.Well then golly gee, it’s a good things those things happened
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1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:
He's not wrong, but if they didn't implode with turnovers they also wouldn't be the Pats.
If my aunt had a weiner she'd be my uncle.
So am I TBH. We know he can play the run, need to see some coverage.
I just think the “well if that didn’t happen” game is ridiculous. What if Shakir doesn’t have the drops, what if Josh throws a much better deep ball and instead of the pass getting intercepted he throws a touchdown….all of a sudden that game is a blowout
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16 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
I would trade all of that and a 2026 1st for a premier pass rusher.
This is why fans don’t run teams.
Also, aren’t you the guy in the Von Miller thread crushing him because he might play tomorrow to get one more sack? I can’t even imagine the vitriol your posts would have if this mythical premier pass rusher that the Bills would trade thru entire draft for went maybe 2 games without a sack
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1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:
Tough spot for the Pats to be in. Definitely looking at that first draft pick, but having to say all the right things to not make it look obvious they are throwing the game.
They would have beaten the Bills a couple weeks ago if they hadn’t imploded with turnovers. Now, they are playing against Buffalo’s backups and will need to put the ball on the ground a few more times to get the loss they badly want.
Outside of the games today, and the Lions’ game Sunday, this game has some interesting aspects and I’m looking forward to how it plays out.
I’ll be happy with a Bills win and happy with a Pats win. Truly a win-win situation.
Cool story but no they wouldn’t have
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1 hour ago, The Wiz said:
This is the part that worries me the most because of this weekend. Mike Giardi was on Buffalo Plus this week and flat out said that he knows that there are some voters that don't watch the games and just look at the stats online. Giving someone a vote that doesn't even watch the games is laughable to me.
You’re misunderstanding what he said. The NFL isn’t giving votes to people who don’t watch any of the games. Let’s not make the NFL and the voters out to be complete idiots. The voters probably don’t watch EVERY game, which honestly is understandable. Which by the way, that’s how it’s always been. I’m willing to bet that the people who vote watch a decent amount of football
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2 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:
I have also been a supporter of not paying RB's, but a true top flight RB should at least be made a fair offer to retain
Cook is on the cusp of potentially being one of those backs IMO. His smoothness as a runner is a thing of beauty, and he is also a very good pass catcher and appears to have fixed his ball security issues
I would make him a fair offer. If he decides he wants to go somewhere else cause a team wants to pay a hefty price for him, then I let him walk and take the compensatory pick to draft another RB
Boy the Giants certainly found this out the hard way, didn’t they?
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He can get paid starting this offseason, that’s all. Big brother is just putting it out there that he should get paid, nothing more than that
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So the Ravens have 9 pro bowlers and the Bills have 2. Interesting…
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6 minutes ago, Doc said:
Gesicki has almost 150 more yards than Kincaid and the same number of TDs. And their RB Brown has (slightly) more yards rushing and receiving but 6 fewer TDs.
This MVP has taken so many weird turns. We have now reached the point where people feel the need to make sure to downgrade as many Bills as possible
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5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
Gibbs is tearing it up
same for Peyton ManningPeyton would’ve succeeded anywhere. He made a lot of guys much better than they actually were
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They wait until they see what the matchups are. A Bills/Bengals matchup will get a prime time spot while a Bills/Broncos matchup probably gets Sunday 1pm treatment
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23 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
Not contradicting myself at all. The player’s responsibility is to play as hard as possible and in any event it’s hard to avoid doing that given the physical intensity and violence of an NFL game. A coach needs to focus on the big-picture outlook for the organization and do what is strategically wisest for his employer. Do not be surprised if Drake Maye sits next week.
Again, you are getting the coach and the GM mixed up. If a coach isn’t putting his players in a position to win on a weekly basis, that’s a bad coach and I guarantee you that guy will lose the locker room. The GM/front office/ownership/fans might have wanted the Giants to lose, but a coach will never want to lose
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2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:
No, not Lock or Nabers. You misunderstood completely what I wrote. Daboll was selfish. Players are obviously going to play hard. It's the coaches who have the ability to dictate how the game will be played.
Also, again, I guarantee you that virtually all Giants fans agree with me.
There’s a misunderstanding because your statements contradict each other. Calling a coach selfish because he won a game but not the players doesn’t make sense. It’s obvious you are only looking at this from a fan’s POV and not a coach or player. Of course the fans want to see losses at this point, but as someone who WILL get another job in the league, why would Daboll do anything but try to win games? He’s not going to sabotage future interviews and job employment and intentionally lose games
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1 hour ago, Gregg said:
If the Bengals somehow get into the playoffs (I don't think they will) then Burrow will get serious consideration for the MVP, and he will deserve it. He would be right there with Allen, Jackson, and Barkey.
I know the MVP is essentially a stats award, but it’s not completely a stats award. You can’t have the MVP of the league be on the 14th best team in the league, your stats have to contribute to the team consistently winning
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6 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:
You should watch more football then
Start with the Bucs sitting their starters in the final game 6 years ago to get 1st crack at Jameis in the draft. Its not debatable. Clear tank. The Colts/Rams game prior to Luck draft also obvious.
Players not trying i've never seen, but fielding a less than optimal team to get a QB that might be your ticket to a dozen years of playoff appearances is another story.
But those aren’t coach or player decisions. Those are GM owner decisions. Organizations might want to tank, but coaches and players don’t
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Why do you say it’s looking like the Dolphins? It’s still very firmly looking like the Broncos. Dolphins need them to lose AND they need to win their last game with potentially a back up QB
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3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
Come on. The Giants season is OVER, and they get absolutely zilch for winning. The only valuable commodity they get for being abjectly terrible all year is incredibly valuable draft capital — and the first pick in every round is as valuable as it gets in that realm. Coaches are members of larger organizations, and they have a responsibility to that organization to look past the shiny object in front of them — an utterly meaningless win — and focus on how they can help make the organization that employs them better for the long term. There is only path for that, and it ain’t winning a game in week 17 that gets you to 3-13.
I also *guarantee* you that pretty much every Giants fan agrees with me. As would every Jets fan who remembers missing out on Trevor Lawrence and settling for Zach Wilson. Lawrence is good-not-great but certainly possesses franchise-level talent. Zach Wilson is an absolute bust.
The fact that NFL coaches aren’t “wired that way” (ie, accepting that it’s ok to figure out how to lose without it being blatantly obvious) is frankly their problem. I suspect Mayo will put his own interest above his employer’s next week, but perhaps he’ll surprise me.
Those coaches and players are potentially auditioning for 31 other teams. They are going to play hard so perhaps a team like Buffalo/KC/Baltimore will perhaps sign them. Plus if Daboll knows he is in his way out, don’t you think he wants to stick it to the Giants?
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Just now, dave mcbride said:
The Giants’ victory today was a fireable offense for Daboll — totally selfish, and I mean that. It calls to mind the Jets beating the Rams in 2020, which caused them to lose Trevor Lawrence for Zach Wilson.
Are the Patriots a smarter organization than the Giants?This is why you would be never allowed anywhere near an NFL field. At no point does a coach and players ever want to lose a game
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MVP hype for Allen
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Where do you see 51 total touchdowns? I see 46 passing and 2 rushing