Johnny Coli

No. Life expectancies continue to lengthen due to science, and the electorate has a good grasp of when someone is just not going to be an effective leader due to diminishing capacity. And yes, I absolutely believe McCain's capacity to be an effective leader is compromised by his advanced years...not numerically as there are plenty of people in their 70's who would more than be able to get the job done. I don't think a 72-year old who has had four bouts of cancer and seems to get easily confused on the campaign trail is up to the task, and no way in hell is his hand-picked VP candidate up to it (because she's an idiot). Hell, even you have at least a dozen more rings in your trunk than McCain does and you seem more on-the-ball.

That boat is only 10 years older than McCain.

It's all true. No doubt his ghost will haunt those halls for a long, long time. His story and Foley's will be used to scare the incoming congressional pages.

Don't let the overwhelming period of hyper-nationalism and uber-patriotism stoked by the White House and their media flunkies, not to mention the fabricated "evidence" used to prod the vote get in your way of absolving Bush.

Kind of takes the sting out of the argument when you use the whole quote, doesn't it?

I think we can all agree that there were multiple people complicit in fabricating the case to blunder into an unnecessary war. But the indisputable fact is Bush, as the Commander in Chief, is the only person on the planet that can give the OK for the United States Armed Forces to go to war.

He's the President. He gets the final go/no-go. That's not spin.

With a little prodding from Dick. There were very few who wanted to go into that war. He used a national tragedy, fear, spin and John Yoo's Unitary Executive Theory to go to war.

Alarmist, paranoid and fear based on irrational suppositions. You forget that a large number of the countries in the rest of the world did in fact like us and call the US a friend, and after 9-11 the rest of the world was entirely behind us. That good will was completely squandered by the Bush administration and the idea that an Obama administration somehow makes us vulnerable because he "just wants them to like us" is laughable. Second, there was no majority that thought the Bush administration assembled a great team for foreign policy. In fact, alarm bells went off for many who thought he was assembling Nixon/Reagan/Bush I hawks. His team decimated our standing in the world, alienated almost everyone, has caused more harm and instability than good in the world, and those few foolish leaders who sided with his insane policy of pre-emptive force were summarily voted out of power by their people. His foreign policy team might have been the worst in history. Third, it is yet another fallacy to suggest Obama will be worse for the economy that Bush, who quickly squandered a budget surplus, ran us into debt with two horribly mismanaged wars, whose policies of unfettered, unregulated capitalism have put thousands out of work and lined the pockets of the rich leading to the disappearance of the middle class. Fourth, you talk about the the destruction and decay of medical care, education, and housing. Have you looked around lately? The inner cities are dying, left to rot because of Bush's economic policies. Our education system is a disaster. People are abandoning homes turning the suburbs into vacant slums. There are huge swaths of the US tat resemble Third World countries already. And here you are claiming that an Obama administration will make things worse? Is he going to have a tough start in trying to undo all the harm Bush has done? You betcha! But I have no doubt that not only is he up to the task, he's inspired a majority of the nation to let him have the chance. I expect very good things from this man and his administration. But really, the bar has been set so low by the Bush administration and the country is in such a catastrophic mess, how could he not...unless of course McCain somehow gets in. Then the US will continue its decline.

The undocumented Irish?

McCain and Palin are attempting to tap into the same sentiments that helped foster the militia mentality in the 90's, racism being only a small part of it and for a few, but not all. The rabid hatred fostered out of paranoid fear and distrust of anyone "not like us" is driving their campaign. Pro- versus Anti-American parts of the country, anti-science, anti-tax, anti-immigrant, anti-UN, God-Guns-And-Country, Uber-nationalism...this is the kind of over-the-top rhetoric that drives the terminally stupid to hoard guns in corrugated shacks and turn their hounds loose on census takers. McCain and Palin know full well the type of people who are susceptible to their gutter politics, and prodding these goofs with lies and baiting them with fear into a rage to get them to the polls is the goal. What will these hayseeds do after November 4th, armed to the teeth, driven to insanity and believing America will be overrun with Islamo-fascists and homosexuals is the big question.

Saw a piece on the MSNBC website comparing this election with the one in '92, with respect to the economy. Comparing 2008 to 1992 is probably foolish, but I think the original post in this thread highlights some of the paranoia that McCain/Palin are tapping into, and I believe there is some minor comparison to the black helicopter/blue helmet/militia nuts that became pretty conspicuous in the mid-90s. The pulse of the far-Right today is eerily similar to that of the early 90's. Paranoia, accepting outrageous lies as fact, shouting "socialist," "treason" and "terrorist" at rallys, hoarding guns, viscerally anti-government, cases of racism, xenophobia. While an Obama win will be good for America, I do believe it will push some nuts over the edge. How that will manifest itself is anybody's guess, but the McCain/Palin rallys don't suggest that these people are going to take having an African-American, left-leaning President quietly. Are the McCain/Palin rallies whipping up a new cohort of Randy Weavers?

She's either an idiot and after two months of campaigning for the job still has no idea what the VP does, or she's a Cheney/Addington/Yoo disciple hell-bent on expanding the role of the VP under the Unitary Executive Doctrine. Not sure which is scarier, really. More "gotcha journalism" from thrid graders. You betcha!

Right wing talk radio isn't going to be "silenced" by any legislation. It's already being muted by peoples' ability to instantly fact-check via the internet anything that the likes of Limbaugh or Savage spew. Truth, and the ease at which people can get the truth, has ushered in Right Wing radio's demise faster than anything the Dems could do.

Or...he did precisely what people always B word about the voter not doing. He looked at both candidates, weighed the pros and cons of both, weighed that with what he believes in, and weighed that with which one he thinks will ultimately be better for the country regardless of his party affiliation. Then, unlike many, he went on Meet The Press and articulately stated how he reached that opinion without stretching the truth to sway anyone else or wrap it in inflammatory rhetoric. What a dick.

And... He lied about being in the union local (via NYT).

He's not a licensed plumber, nor is he registered as a plumber in Ohio. Toledo Blade So, you are damn right he's stealing from actual licensed, trained plumbers. No license, no registration and no training.

Union dues provide for pensions, education and training, and legal representation. Using non-union unlicensed tradesmen doesn't guarantee that any work performed by that person is up to city/local codes. The people in the union that you and Joe are crapping on have fought long and hard to get a decent, fair wage for their tradesmen. Joe hasn't even put in the time to adequately learn his trade, and without that education, training and a freaking license he'll never be able to own a plumbing business. In fact, he's stealing from the real Joe Plumbers who worked their asses off to properly learn their trade and get licensed. So, which one of us is actually on the side of the American worker?

Why should the capitalist swine get all the breaks? Accountants are a valuable weapon in the poor's fight to take your gold and turn your kids into homo's.

And when your tub get's clogged with those $100 bills, does your gated community have it's own plumber or do you get a day pass for a non-union scab to snake your drains?

Overruled by the liberal commies on the Supreme Court.... High court rejects GOP in Ohio voting dispute EDIT: More details from ScotusBlog.

And they absolutely should, as the fee they pay is deductable the following year.

Maybe the vast majority of the people who have seen this characterization realize it's a load of bunk. You know, every time your candidate spews out this stuff Obama's poll numbers go up. Perhaps the American people are actually smarter than the blogger who wrote this you think.

You should ask the person that emailed you this spam why it is going to take them a whole week to find something positive to say about McCain.

You don't abandon a problem/project because it's not going perfectly. You find a way to fix it. Programs that help the less fortunate in a free-market system with minor regulation are needed. That's reality, because if you don't administer some type of relief for those people you will have bigger, more costly problems. You keep the ones that work, you fix the less efficient ones. You clearly disagree.