Wraith

That is a weird argument to make considering who our other quarterback is. College: Orton = 786/1336 (58.8% Completion) Manuel = 600/897 (66.9% Completion) First 2 Seasons Pro: Orton = 233/448 (52.0% Completion) Manuel = 256/437 (58.6% Completion) Orton played in 13 or more games in four out of his first five seasons. In only one of those seasons (2009, Denver, 62.1%) was his completion percentage better than Manuel's number this year (58.0%). Orton is a great example of how a quarterback can develop this skill as a professional.

No interest in understanding why one QB has been better at producing points than the other? Just "points! points!". Alright then.

What does this have to due with Orton's sack rate being related to (or not being related to) his desire to hold on to the ball to target the wide receivers down field?

That's been my whole point this entire thread. The difference between Orton and Manuel boils to two things only: 1) Orton has been more accurate 2) Manuel has been better at avoiding the sacks. Orton's accuracy so far appears to have outweighed his increased propensity for taking the sack. Everything else is either over thinking things or applying a bias.

This is a fine example of why stats are necessary, despite some folks claims that all they need is their eyes. The eyes lie. Kyle Orton doesn't take more sacks than EJ Manuel because he targets wide receivers more! Orton targets wide receivers less than Manuel does! Manuel has 127 pass attempts this season, of which 28.3% went to running backs, 11.0% went to tight ends, and 60.6% went to wide receivers. Orton has 136 pass attempts this season, of which 25.0% went to running backs, 19.9% went to tight ends, and 55.1% went to wide receivers.

In this case it really doesn't. Orton's significantly better YPA number is due almost entirely to his better completion percentage. Orton and Manuels YPC (Yards per completion) are very similar (11.8 vs. 11.1).

I meant during the game.

Is anyone else aggravated by the lack of response by the officials? The broadcast showed both Carpenter and Orton complaining at separate times, only to be given a blank stare and a shrug in return. Make a freakin' announcement and flag the home team if you have to.

Don't let WEO try to deceive you: Q1 7/8 (87.5%), 84 Yards (10.50 YPA), 0 TD, 0 INT, 1 Sack, 110.4 Rating Q2 3/4 (75.0%), 13 Yards (3.25 YPA), 1 TD, 0 INT, 0 Sack, 117.7 Rating Q3 1/4 (25.0%), 16 Yards (4.00 YPA), 0 TD, 1 INT, 0 Sack, 4.2 Rating Q4 4/5 (80.0%), 40 Yards (8.00 YPA), 0 TD, 0 INT, 0 Sack, 100.0 Rating OT 1/1 (100.0%), 20 Yards (20.00 YPA), 0 TD, 0 INT, 0 Sack, 118.8 Rating Manuel had a short bad stretch in an otherwise solid game.

The references to the locker room culture by some of the scouts/coaches/player personnel/executive types is incredibly annoying to me. I have already lost count of how many quotes I have read from these groups saying that Sam's draft stock is going to drop because they're afraid of what will happen to the unity of the locker room. Am I the only who thinks that Sam is going to be treated better by his new teammates in the locker room than by the groups I listed above? The players in the locker room are overwhelmingly young and are part of a very accepting generation. The locker room is already an incredible melting pot of races, classes, religions, and view points. I think it is more likely that these player personnel types, who are far less diverse, are projecting some of their own biases about not only homosexuality but also about modern athletes in general. The reaction from his Missouri teammates is very encouraging to me. I hope that is represenative.

It is only two scores if one of them is a touchdown. As Bill Barnwell at Grantland will tell you, 4th and 1 is a TD about 60% of the time. Drives from the far side of the 50 result in touchdowns far less than 60%. They needed a TD and that was their best chance at it.

There was nothing wrong with that particular throw. Graham simply can't track the ball and run at the same time.

The infuriating part to me is the inconsistency. Think back to Goodwin's "fumble" against New England from Week 1. He had far less possession of that pass than he did on the play from yesterday, yet that one is a catch and fumble and this was an incomplete. Might as well flip a coin.

The guy has been kicked off of every team he has been on since high school. Why are you wasting even a little bit of energy defending him?

You are aware that the prevent defense is specifically design to prevent long catches, right?

Hadn't had a big game until this week?! Didn't break a Bills sack record in Week 2?

I know some people like to be contrarians, but don't be silly. This isn't basketball. The offense doesn't get to sneak one hand in and get a jump ball call with the possession arrow always in their favor. Tate might have gotten a both hands on the ball at impact, but on the way down his right hand is clearly off the ball and it's not even clear if his left hand is still in contact. He re-establishes contact while on the ground. You also can't blame the replay official for this debacle because simultaneous possession is not a reviewable play.

The cellphone question was in regards to watching while in the airport.

Yeah, but his receivers had to reach or even jump for some of those completions. Think of how much YAC he's leaving on the table.

Paying an unproven early draft pick isn't exactly "buying low."

The overall outcame was affected. The last two teams to get to the check-in initially were the gay couple (last) and Vegas show girls (second-to-last). It would've been Vegas show girls going home instead of Ethan and Jenna. I don't have much sympathy because, as others have stated, reading directions carefully is and always has been an integral part of the race. However, I can't think of any previous challenges where you could get your next clue without successfully completing the challenge in it's entirety so I feel this was really out of the spirit of the race. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Was I the only one who saw Ochocinco with his hands up (as if to say "what's the play?") just about every other play yesterday? It looks like the guy doesn't know the playbook (at least the audibles).

Matt Cassel says hello.

The Subban attempt actually deflected off Enroth's glove before hitting near the corner of the crossbar/goal post. Versus had a nice replay of it.

Unless the point is to draft a QB that will eventually lead some other team to the playoffs, you should care.