Wraith
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I think that has been happening slowly but surely and will improve.
Just keep in mind that Kodak employed 65 K in Rochester not that long ago, from which a large percentage were chemical engineers (I'm talking thousands). They had (and still have, actually) chemical engineers coming out their ears. Reabsorbing those who were downsized is an incremental process.
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WTF?! How is this even an issue?!
Losman completed 22 of 38 pass attempts for 328 yards, 1 interception, 1 passing touchdown, and 1 rushing touchdown.
Losman's error's came on unblocked safety blitzes. What on earth does that have to do with locking on to receivers?
This is like being critical of the paint job on the Titantic (IT AIN'T THE ISSUE).
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Please. He should be better mentally. Its his 3rd year mentally, and he should be better when we need him to be.
Rob Johnson had a 90 QB rating. Doug Flutie said to the media that Rob Johnson has a high QB rating because he plays safe.
JP Losman is playing safe. JP, we didnt draft you to be a care taker, we drafted you to be our future. The future is now, let it rip.
You are not qualified to know what his level of play is mentally.
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I think the OL gave JP lots of time, and JP got too comfortable and when the pressure came he wasn't ready to throw it away.
The first fumble was 3-4 at the Jets 19, if he throws it away there is 3 points.
The second one was first and 10 at the Bills 33, I think they were going deep on this one, if he throws it away, they still have the ball.
You've been repeating this in multiple threads, so I feel justified in calling you on it.
On both plays, the strong safety, Kerry Rhodes, blitzes untouched. That means the quarterback had however long it takes for a safety to run 15 yards in a straight line. Maybe 20 yards on the second play because the safety came from the outside. Either way, holding on too long was absolutely not the issue. In addition, attempting to throw the ball away, as you suggest, is the root cause of the first fumble.
The only question I would have for Losman if I were the coaches would be to ask if he had done everything reasonable to protect the ball.
You are making it seem like the offensive line all held their blocks for 5 seconds or that he got hit by an unblocked 400 lb. defensive tackle moving at a sloth's pace. That was clearly not the case here, and I think you are misrepresenting the facts.
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Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. At the time, many of us were ecstatic at that block. Then on the VERY NEXT PLAY he wiffs and Losman gets blindsided.
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Don't try and tell you what I thought? Who the hell are you? Ya know what, I didn't think the Bills had a chance to win, I KNEW they were going to win until that downpour.
How are you going to argue against that? You're entire argument is setting ludicrously high standards based on what you "know" in your odd little mind, and then sitting back thinking you've proved your point when when he meets almost everyone one of your standards and falls just shy of the last one.
Fault Losman for some of the fumbles, or for the interception, or whatever, but trying to prove anything off the last drive is idiotic.
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So what you're really saying is you won't be sold on Losman until he leads the Bills on not one but TWO touchdown scoring drives with under 3:00 minutes to go in the 4th Quarter in the pouring rain and into 30 mph winds.
You can't disparage his passing attempts on the last drive without also acknowledging that they would not have been in that position had he not done what he did on the previous drive.
What you SHOULD be saying is that the jury is still out. Only an idiot would say otherwise and think they've made their point.
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Dude, take a look around, there are at least two lengthy threads with this debate going on.
The point is people are getting all over Losman for that fumble but McGahee is at least as equally to blame. Get a clue.
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How much time do you think he had on those plays to get rid of the ball? I could not see what was happening down field (i.e., whether the receivers were not open), but it did seem that he had plenty of time to get rid the of the ball to avoid a mistake. On at least one of those plays, the play clock counted down four seconds.
JP did not have one of his better outings. His mistakes were determinative. Nevertheless, I still think that he needs more time -- both to gain experience and for the coaching staff (and the rest of us) to see whether he will learn from his mistakes.
On the first fumble, he had no time. The safety came untouched up the middle. The second fumble, the safety went around the outside and took longer to get there, but got there just as Losman's was unloading deep. Neither one was really a matter of taking too much time with the ball. It's hard to tell whether Losman was aware of the blitzer on the first fumble, but if he was, his only mistake was trying to throw the ball away instead of taking the sack.
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Don't get me started on Clements. On the 3rd and 6 pass to Coles that led to the 4th and 1 on the Jet's last drive, he gave Coles a 10 yard cushion. Why on earth are we giving a guy with a bum hamstring a ten yard cushion on 3rd and 6 with Chad Pennington at QB who can't complete a thing down field but is the king of the 5 yard pass route? Did we not think they'd go for it on 4th and 1?
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Too hard? Too high? Yes. But too hard? As my sister's boyfriend the Giants fan put it, "That was an incredibly poorly timed jump by McGahee," so much so that he was already on his way down when the ball got there. That doesn't sound like it was thrown too hard to me. They were all too high though.
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Our playcalling is so much better than it has been in the last 4 years, but again, the one play that turned the momentum was that unnecessary fake FG that was busted up by moorman's bad shuffle pass. I don't like it when you have the lead, you have the momentum, and you're in position to make it a two possession game...and you do something quirky. It doesn't seem like Jauron ball, either...but I'm sure we'd say it was brilliant if Moorman had passed it properly and it went for a first that resulted in a TD.
But I will always be against high risk tricks that can turn momentum against you...particularly against a team that had generated zero momentum of their own to that point.
Hopefullly they'll get wiser. TAKE THE POINTS AND QUIT FUGGIN AROUND
Well said. The other head scratching play call was the naked bootleg on 3rd and 1 on the 1. WTF was that?!
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You are absolutely correct. It would be better if he had not fumbled. I think the point people here need to realize is that Tom Brady, 3 time Super Bowl champ, has done the EXACT same thing TWICE in the last two weeks. Should he be yanked, too?
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In case you missed it, Losman was our entire offense today. McGahee ran up a ton of yards between the 20s but was nonexistant when we needed him (of course I'm loathe to put much blame on him because the playcalling was horrendous).
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You are insane. McGahee ran for 150 freakin' yards and we don' t give him the ball on 3rd and 1 on the 1?!?!? Blame the play calling.
Do we also forget that Holcomb through 4 Interceptions against this defense at the end of last year?
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Except you ignore the drive right before it in which he went 70 through the air and rain in the crucial touchdown on 4th and long to give the Bills a chance.
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You're blaming Jauron for passing on 2 and 3 and 3 and 3? Fairchild calls the play, not Jauron. Furthermore, if you can't pass on 2nd and 3 when the hell can you? Blame him for the fake FG, not those other plays.
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Absolutely have to challenge on Losman's fumble - fails to do so, or even think to do so. Why not challenge the call - it only costs you one time out in the first half. And as first half ends, Buffalo still has two timeouts it never used. Idiot. And at the end of half, with 8 seconds left, take a knee for chrisakes. Why hand off and risk a fumble? Just does not get it.
How the hell do you know if thought about it or not?
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You do realize that in Ben's first year as a starter he had, essentially, ONE read to make. If that guy wasn't open he threw it to his check down guy. If this is your concern about Losman why are you comparing him to BR who wasn't making real reads until his second full season as a starter?
Also, tell me this. Which QBs, in their first 10 starts, "showed the ability to make complex decisions quickly?" You've written the guy off before you've ever given him a chance. Not many here are "Losman lovers", all I see are a bunch of fans who are willing to give the guy a chance to prove himself before they throw him under the bus. If the coaching staff doesn't have much faith in him after his 30th start and call the same type of game they did on Sunday you may have a point. But until then they're doing the right thing in brining him along slowly.
Not to mention I have yet to hear him offer any way to MEASURE whether Losman is making quick decisions or not. Because without a good measure, how do the hell do we really know what he's capable of? Anecdotal evidence is useless clearly, or else I could make the argument that Losman's short third down passing attempts against Miami were the result of reading the biltz and hitting the hot receiver who would attempt to break a tackle for the first down. Those sure SEEM to be quick, intelligent decisions. But how can I really know?
If I could rewatch every one of Losman's games again and break them down AND I knew what the play was that was called and what the reads were supposed to be, I might attempt that analysis. But I don't have the Bills playbook so I'm just going to have to rely on the Bills coaching staff for that.
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Yes, that was the implication. Thanks for pointing that out for those in the audience incapable of noticing subtlety.