Wraith

The fact that you could apply the statement you quote to all of our QBs in the last decade or so (including Jim Kelly) would tend to make a reasonable person say the root cause hasn't been addressed. But not you.

Exactly. Two things Losman should do to emulate Tom Brady: 1) Stop fumbling. 2) Play on a better team.

Which word is it that you feel was used incorrectly?

Your premise might be right but your argument is flawed. When Losman has gotten his throws off his performance has been above average. He has a 61.6% Completion Percentage, 1314 Yards, 6 TDs, and 6 Int (Including 3 against the leagues best defense). He's shown that when he has protection, he can be effective. The problems have all arrived when he doesn't get his throws away. He's getting sacked at a high rate (21 times so far) and fumbling often. Those are his problems, and you have to give at least some of the blame on the offensive line.

How do you know what he's like in the huddle?

Which is what he said in his post that YOU quoted.

What exactly was the point of your post? To prove that you're not only a moron, as you put it, but that you are also lagging in reading comprehension? In the post that you quote, Risin says that although he played QB, he doesn't know enough to make a judgement. So what do you do? You throw this weird little tantrem. WTF? Work on your reading skills.

Well said.

If the Cardinals lose this game, it would hurt so much more than how we lost this game. At least we went quickly.

You said it.

Entering this season, a reasonable goal for J.P. Losman was to play in the middle of the pack of NFL Quarterbacks. To expect a quarterback to play above average on an offense with a questionable offensive line and a questionable receiving corps is unreasonable. Furthermore, after last years debacle, average output from Losman would be a significant improvement. Through six games of this season, the meaningful statistics are: _____________COMP%___YPA___TD/ATT___INT/ATT ___SACKS/ATT_____RATING Losman -2006__61.60____6.52____0.041____0.0291______0.110_______80.10 Average-2006__60.09____6.86____0.038____0.0291______0.072_______78.89 In every meaningful category except sacks/attempt, Losman is average. Sacks/attempt may be his main area of improvement. It might not be. Strong anecdotal evidence suggests the offensive line in front of him is providing him with far below average time to pressure. I have seen no attempt to quantify that issue yet, though. Either way, Losman's current clip (0.110) puts him in the same neighborhood as Michael Vick (0.154), Carson Palmer (0.108), and Matt Hasselbeck (0.107). I have two points for those of you who come in here whining about a specific negative play: A) The statistics show the rate at which he makes negative plays is not statistically different from an average NFL quarterback. B) By definition, being an average quarterback means that about 50% of your plays will be above average and about 50% will be below average. Some will be way above average (the TD pass to Parrish) and some will be way below average (the sack just prior to Lindell's 53 yard field goal). Losman is the epitome of an average NFL Quarterback. In his second year of starting he has developed into an average NFL Quarterback. That is a significant jump in play level from last year. In order to jump to the next level and be a great NFL Quarterback two things need to happen: he needs to improve his consistency; and more significantly, the team around him needs to play at least average also. *The Int/Att Rate Comparison is not a typo. Losman's rate is exactly the average to four significant figures.

I would say more like a tree. Specifically a tree in Buffalo this past weekend. The defense runs around him, and he falls over.

Has anyone mentioned that kick Lindell made at the end of the first half? That was a nice kick.

In this particular case I was refering to the defense getting worse. Particularly the run defense. The oline has stayed pretty consistently bad.

You are vastly over simplifying things to make him sound stupid. Coming into this season, the goal was improvement. Nobody was expecting a playoff team, just steps in the right direction. Losman has shown the desired improvement. Today was his 4th game of the year with 61% or higher completion percentage. His high all of last year was 60.71%. He has also thrown for over 200 yards three times, as opposed to once all of last season. His sacks per attempt and interceptions per attempt are slightly lower than last season. He's playing his best football in the 4th Quarter of games. Progress has been made. The rest of the team has not progressed. They've regressed. They've gotten worse. That's the frustrating part. That's what most reasonable people should be worried about. Incremental improvement from players and units from year to year is expected. Losman has done that. A lot of others have not.

Interesting. Detroits receivers were often in space, wide open. What were they doing that the Bills weren't? Or is it just a matter of the line giving WRs more time to get open?

So cut the entire team then, they ain getting it done. Lets compare QB performances today: Losman 21/34, 207 Yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 1 FUM E.Manning 17/30, 180 Yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 1 FUM One quarterback beats 3-1 Atlanta 27-14, the other quarterback loses 20-17 to 0-5 Detroit. So what's the difference? As it turns out, and this is apparently surprising to a lot of you, when the rest of the team plays like crap, an average quarterbacking performance is going to look like crap as well. When the rest of the team plays alright, an average quarterbacking performance looks pretty good.

A little high strung, are we? If you can show me where in your first post you excluded goal line plays from your little "analysis," you can call BlueFire a nitwit. Otherwise, calm down or shut up or both.

And again, in this case, the passes you cited were thrown to Lee Evans. Do you really think Evans was the safety valve? Frankly, you have no way of knowing if Losman is going through a progression or not. How do you know who option 2, 3 and 4 were? How can you even tell who he's looking at? That statement is pure conjecture.

Exactly. It's impossible for a reasonable person to predict what an NFL referee will choose to overturn. I've seen FAR less conclusive replays result in reversals than today's. There are plenty of other things to fault the team with today, but this wasn't one of them.

The sack at the end of the first half I agree with. Lindell bailed his ass out big time there. But I do not understand how you can reasonably expect someone to recognize their left tackle failed to make contact with his DE and that said DE is now coming from behind your right shoulder as you look downfield waiting for a playaction bomb to develop.

In a game that we lost by 3 points, you would rather have an extra time out than attempt to take 3 points off the board? We lost by 3 points. That call lead to a FG. That play was the margin of victory. You have to risk a time out in that situation.

It's not a part of the scheme. (Sadly, this post is not as facetious as I would like it)

It's not a matter of still supporting the decision. It's a matter of not CARING about the decision any more. Move on.

The other one refrenced was a 9 yard out route by Lee Evans on a 3rd and 10 early on in the game.