The Senator

Double your ADD dosage. Are you suggesting someone else brought Laura Welch into the thread, and keeps trying to associate an accident - which occurred 14 years before she met 'W' - with the Bush name? I'm not sure what to suggest f You're saying the killing someone, trying to flee the scene, then staging a cover-up to get away with vehicular homicide and a slew of other charges, is a 'simple human failing'? Merely something that is "questionable behavior"? They should get the "benefit of the doubt" How much of that "benefit of the doubt" would you so generously offer to , say, Cheney, or Bush - who's names you also dragged into this thread about Ted Kennedy? Says the guy who dragged a 17-year-old girl's unfortunate accident into a thread about Ted Kennedy. Sorry pal - no free passes for murder. And I'll 'move on' when I feel like it. Like you said, it's a free country.

So is spelling 'feat', I guess, for someone of your intelligence. I can see why you never bothered applying!

Of course not - he drove his ex-lover off a bridge and left her to drown. Geez, we've been discussing this for pages, and for days - do you also suffer from short-term memory in addition to your ADD? There you go again - trying desperately to drag the Bush name into a Kennedy thread, while yourself acknowledging that Laura Welch, at the age of 17, was NOT a Bush. In fact, she didn't met 'W' until she was THIRTY ONE YEARS OLD!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah - and did you notice that, out of all the Kennedys at that service, Patrick Kennedy is the only one that looks like Tip O'Neill? (I wonder what Joan was doing, one night in October of 1966? )

I am relieved to know that. However, I still fail to see what 17-year-old Laura Welch's (she was not a Bush at age 17) being involved in a fatal car accident has to do with this discussion - regardless of whether the other driver was her 'boyfriend, as you allege, or simply a classmate. (Just as it wouldn't make any difference whether Mary Jo Kopechne was actually pregnant by Ted Kennedy, as some allege, or simply one of his many Cape Cod conquests.) Please enlighten me - did Ms. Welch leave the scene of that accident, orchestrate a cover-up, give false testimony, or otherwise withhold evidence? You do admit that Kennedy DID do all those things, yes?

No, Thurman - that's your point. Mine is that the Bills and the Eagles (and Peters/Parker) had drastically different notions of what Peters' true value was. (Market-value, IMO, is what someone - anyone - is willing to pay; true value, as I'm using it here, is what the guy's actually worth.) Clearly the Bills thought - based on what they saw and knew first-hand - that Peters' true value was worth far less than what he and his agent might be able to swindle out of some other team on the open market, and they acted appropriately. (And, I would add, to the team's advantage - Peters play will likely continue to decline as he enjoys his $60M, while Eric Wood is a 'keeper' and future Pro Bowl player for years to come.) BTW - Peters' quad injury kept him off the filed for more than five days, and 'doing fine in Philly' is a matter of opinion - in this case, yours. Listen to the fans in Philly and you might hear a different opinion. I don't see how Bell figures into the trade equation at all - he was, like Peters, an undrafted free agent GO BILLSSS!!!!

Ah yes - the Ann Coulter argument. Couldn't even get into Cornell's Ag School, huh? No Ag School at Provincetown Community College? Too bad. Myself, I was in Cornell's College of Arts and Sciences - recognized as probably one of the most difficult undergrad program of any Ivy League university . But I guess you wouldn't know that. By 'lesser Ivies' you must be referring to Brown, or maybe Columbia - in which case, I'd have to agree that just about any large public university is as good. Nothing wrong with public universities, BTW - many are considered leading academic and research institutions. And frankly, if I had to do it again, I might choose University of Hawaii. Still, unless you went to a community college or trade school, I'd bet that a number of your textbooks were authored by Cornell profs, (Sienko's Chemistry, Keeton's Biological Science, Carl Sagan, etc., etc.) - you just didn't have the pleasure of being personally taught by them like I did. And you really shouldn't sell Cornell's Ag School short either - their students have distribution requirements in the humanities, physical & life sciences, and oral & written expression similar to every other student at Cornell, and they are free to fulfill those requirements with courses from any of Cornell's colleges. But, you wouldn't know that either. They are also one of the leading institutions in the areas of environmental research, plant science, and food science - allowing you to nourish that lump between your shoulders.

That is a good one. I wonder if Stevenson and Bob Hope shared the same writer?

You left out his admirable and effective work on getting COBRA legislation passed. All in all, Kennedy authored more than 2,500 bills in his 47-year career in the United States Senate. Of those he authored or co-sponsored, several hundred became Public Law (552 since 1973 - prior to that, Senate records do not list co-sponsors). Look...I will concede that Ted Kennedy was an effective legislator, a congenial colleague (for the most part), and a towering figure on the American political landscape. I will also concede that - particularly in his later years - he served his constituents quite well, and even seemed to have developed a conscience. And you do ( I guess???) grudgingly acknowledge the grand jury foreman's claim of a cover-up, along with the diver's claim that they were strong-armed in to falsifying police reports, and the state police detective's claim that Kennedy was guilty of murder. My point was that he - like the other Kennedy boys - is a misogynistic miscreant who considered himself above the law, and that he used his power, privileged, prestige, and position to - literally - get away with murder. I guess, to you, that's simply one - among many - of his 'failings'. And I'm still not sure why you keep bringing yours, Laura Bush's, or DC Tom's driving record into the discussion - I thought the thread was about Kennedy. I guess your point just too obtuse for me. (I also wasn't aware you had an ex-boyfriend - not that there's anything wrong with that. )

Perhaps, like Kennedy, he was just repeated something he read that was written centuries earlier? Robert Kennedy was so fond of quoting Aeschylus that, in a heated moment of the 1968 campaign, Sen. Eugene McCarthy accused RFK of " 'Aeschylating' the campaign!" (Don't even get me started on whether JFK or Ted Sorensen actually wrote Profiles in Courage.)

Yeah, but if you look at his stats, they also say...just as loudly...that he's not an NFL quarterback, either. IOW, I'm not sure you can make that leap just by his stats, since the Bills have never really put him in a position to compile any significant stats as a WR.

Yes - I'm expecting Demetrius Bell to walk out on his team any day now. Yeah, and had he shown up for OTAs, training camp, and preseason , he may well have received a renegotiated contract based on his 2007 performance, rather than on his dismal 2008 showing. Unfortunately - whether due to bad advice from his agent, his own stupidity, greed, and arrogance, or a combination thereof - he did skip OTAs, training camp, and preseason, he did let down his coaches, his teammates, and Bills fans, and he did have a schitty season. Based on a schitty season and two consecutive years of season-ending injuries, the Bills handled the situation perfectly - as is now being borne out by Peters season-starting injury and sub-par performance in Philadelphia.

There goes your ADD again. Did you or DC Tom ever drive a car off a bridge, then leave your passenger there to drown?

Yeah. Right. Sure. Speaking of 'lame', after you've been repeatedly PWNED, you come back and claim, "Yeah, I never said that, I just wanted to see if you'd post them." That's why you came back in a subsequent post - in a somewhat snotty, taunting tone - demanding them again...because you didn't really want them, right? Same thing with... You weren't really serious about that either, at least not once I showed you how wrong you were, yes? Well not quite. I'll concede that a grand jury did not indict, and a jury did not convict - though that's a rather ridiculous claim on your part, since a jury cannot convict if there's no trial. Now... Will you concede that the foreman of that grand jury claimed they were pressured and manipulated by a judge, a prosecutor, and police authorities NOT to conduct an investigation? And that the diver who recovered May Jo Kopechne's body stated that they were strongly pressured to alter their police report and testimony, particularly as it relates to Kennedy's speed at the time of the accident, to ensure a lesser charge and avoid a full-blown trial? And that the investigating Massachusetts State Police detective opined that, "Senator Kennedy killed that girl, same as if he put a gun to her head!" ??? You'll concede those truths, yes? Pwned again.

Good point - instead of Roscoe, I think it's time to shut down the 'Edwards Experiment'.

Better than what? Did I say that? Strange, but I have no recollection of saying anything like that, either. Now I have to think back about what I said yet again - you're making me tired... No, I could not possibly have said that - the thread's still about Peters, isn't it? I think it is, so let me just say that had he reported for OTAs, training camp, and preseason, no one would have been trying to "run Peters out of town" - even if he was the worst left tackle in the NFL last season (i.e., led the entire league, among blind-side tackles - in sacks-allowed). No one said over-paying a player for under-performing was 'better' - you made a comment that "no one tried to run Schobel or Kelsey out of town like they did Peters, and I simply responded that the reason is because they didn't behave like ass holes. And I'm sure no one would have tried to 'run Peters out of town' either, had he simply shown up for work. (Well, maybe they would have, but for his dismal sacks-allowed #'s, not for his contract issues). (And, BTW, some people actually ARE trying to run Kelsay and Schobel out of town, just as - I'm almost certain - a lot of Eagles fans will try to run FatBoy out of Philly before long.)

Spoken like someone who couldn't quite make it in (I assure you, Cornell did not inflate my grades.)

True - I'm not quite ready to condemn the entire Ivy League, but given the intellectual prowess of our last President and the current Bills head coach, one has to ponder, "Just WTF is going on in New Haven???"

I'm not sure that Jauron was considered an 'experiment' when the Bills hired him; conversely, I'm pretty sure the 49ers don't think Bill Walsh was a 'project'. You certainly cannot deny Leach's passion or his wit - two qualities totally lacking in Dick Jauron... A few weeks ago, Mike Leach went on a tirade after Tech lost to the University of Texas in Austin. - he got so pissed during the post-game press conference that he singled out the officials, invoking the chicken-egg metaphor... "It’s a little like breakfast - you eat ham and eggs. As coaches and players, we’re like the ham. You see - the chicken’s involved, but the pig’s committed We’re like the pig, they’re like the chicken. They’re involved, but everything we have rides on this." Quite a few Lubbock residents will get a free meal because Texas Tech coach Mike Leach complained about the officials. The Tech football staff gave away 400 hams using money raised through the "I Like Mike" fund, its founder said, to pay Leach's $10,000 fine levied by the Big 12 Conference. "It doesn't surprise me that coach Leach would not take the money to pay his fine,'' Mayes said. "This really was always a symbolic gesture to tell coach Leach that, We appreciate your passion for the university. This is our way of showing our passion for you as a coach.' '' Leach called the event "a chance to enjoy the holiday season with our fans and those less fortunate than us.'' "We've got great support here,'' Leach said. "Our fans show a lot of commitment to us. We wanted to show our commitment to them, so together we're committed like the pig.'' I wonder just how committed the Bills can be, if they think their performance last night was anything to laugh about? Say or think what you will about Mike Leach, but I want my ham... Coach Leach To Distribute Christmas Hams On Saturday

Well...not quite every coach, player, scout and fan that has a vote in probowl selections... There is one ex-Buffalo Bill - an offensive lineman, no less - who went to Princeton so probably doesn't qualify as an idiot, and also actually happened to play alongside Peters, who not only thinks that Peters selection to last season's Pro Bowl was a freaking joke, but who also thinks that the whole Pro Bowl voting process is a freaking joke... Link - NFL Pro Bowl voting among players should be consistent So pardon me if I think your opinion on the subject vs his is less than worthless.

What if Jauron is really a genius, and he's just been pretending to be an incompetent boob for the last three seasons?

Yeah, I wonder why that is? Did you see either of them skipping OTAs, training camp, and preseason while demanding to renegotiate a contract that was redone just one season prior?

Ah, the imagination's a wonderful thing - especially one as vivid as yours. But Eagles fans don't have to imagine - they can see what they've gotten for their $60M... link (from August 29, after the Thu nite Eagles/Jags game)

No problem, but regardless whether you think Schobel, Kelsay, or anyone else is overpaid given their level of play, two wrongs do not make a right - to have paid Peters what he was seeking would have been a HUGE mistake, and most folks here (save for a few blind worshipers who just don't want to admit the guy's a bum because they'd be admitting they were wrong) could already predict the attitude, work ethic, and injury problems that the Eagles are gonna have with the bum. GO BILLSSS!!!!

Did I say that? Strange, but I have no recollection of saying anything like that... Now I have to think back about what I said... No, I could not possibly have said that - the thread's about Peters, isn't it?

Sounds like a great idea - there's a guy down in Lubbock, TX who has built a winning program from the ground up, has not had a losing season since he arrived there in 2000, is recognized as one of the most innovative offensive minds in football, and likes to give away a helluva lotta hams... Mike Leach