Simon

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Background: When Brady replaced Bledsoe and the Bills then traded for Drew, I was absolutely livid. I was the only Bills fan here or anywhere else that I know of who felt that way, because I thought within a couple of weeks of the switch that Brady had already become the better QB and that the gap was only going to widen over time. And I was absolutely excoriated here for months because I thought that. I say this not to toot my horn but to clarify that I am not just trying to defend some inane position that I held 20 years ago. Brady is certainly one of the best to ever do it; the reason being because of his accuracy and decision-making, imo. However, I also think there have been a LOT of guys in this league that could accurately throw 8 yard darts behind good protection to open guys who knew what to do with the ball when they got their hands on it. This is not a skill that makes one a GOAT when plenty of others can do it just as well. What makes Brady that GOAT in everybody's mind is those rings all over his hands. But it is my concerted opinion that individuals don't win Super Bowls, teams do. And Tom Brady had more advantages around him than possibly any other QB in the history of this league. Consider the historically great coaching 7 days/week, outstanding OLines, a multitude of weapons perfectly fitted to scheme, some of the best prepared defenses you'll ever see, knowledge of other team's personnel/plans (often gathered through nefarious means), frequently game-winning special teams, unique officiating that mysteriously always went their way and a franchise willingness to push, bend and stretch every rule they could possibly think of. I believe there are a plethora of dinkers and dunkers that could have thrived in those conditions and won just as much as he did given those same conditions and opportunities. Hell, the one season he missed, Matt freaking Cassell registered an 11-5 record with a 2:1 TD/INT ratio; meanwhile he had like a 25-40 record with a near 1:1 ratio everywhere else he played. This just points up the kind of advantages QB's had playing for Belichick and that franchise during those years. I know you don't agree and few others see it that way and I'm not trying to change your opinion because I know I won't. I'm just trying to point out that my take is not as outlandish as many are going to try to make it.

Bingo! I knew I was missing at least one really good QB.

Well that is one of the more hurtful insinuations I've ever received here. I bet if you flip their situations that their results end up flipped as well.

Sunday around lunch and you can get two days out of it 👍

20 QBs I would rather go to battle with than Tom Brady: (in no particular order) John Elway Joe Montana Steve Young Aaron Rodgers Pat Mahomes Brett Favre Peyton Manning Josh Allen Dan Marino Jim Kelly Ken Stabler Johnny U Warren Moon Fran Tarkenton Otto Graham Dan Fouts Steve McNair Kurt Warner Phillip Rivers I can only come up with 19, so I guess Brady just slips into my Top 20. Just because you hate me is no reason to disagree with me.

Tom Brady is arguably the most overrated player in the history of the NFL and I wouldn't even put him on my list of Top 20 qb's of all time. There, I said it. Flame away.

He had opportunities elsewhere but was never going to be an NFL QB, imo. Too stiff(I swear I could hear him counting his drop steps out loud to himself from my couch), did not see the field well and had no feel for the game. Nice kid and I'm glad he made enough money to set him up for life, but just wasn't a good enough natural ballplayer to stick at this level.

The story and the thread are about "Tom" Brady last year, not the Bills' "Joe" Brady.

You can eat it standing up.

No deaths or damage to innocent civilians? I think you're OK then.

Good question. How big of an asteroid are we talking here?

lol, I miss belinda...

Ouch.... I want to see him playing healthy this year before I give up.

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I've felt that way too, but I give him credit for mostly hanging in there the other night when he was getting no protection.

I don't decide beforehand. I'll just start watching a game and at some point will find myself instinctively puling for somebody and then just go with that.

This is pretty freaking cool. I just cooked steak dinners for my son's 28th birthday. Our boys were born on the same day. 🤙

At the risk of sounding like a jerk, I cannot picture "that guy" ever being the final piece for a team.

I'm sorry but I thought this conversation was finally going to end with "Nope, never heard of it" We're going to need to do a passport check

Good call. Class and courage beyond measure.

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'bout f'ng time you noticed......

Even Aaron Rodgers voted for him.

It's been more than two games; this has been going on for a long while, imo.