JoPoy88

Very nice and thanks for clarifying! I too am more than happy that the team is now locked into playing in buffalo for the foreseeable future thanks to this deal. As to what I bolded in your quote above - some people are mad we aren’t getting a covered stadium. Some are mad we didn’t just copy the Vikings stadium. Others are mad the seating capacity is going to be reduced. Some think the jumbotron is too small. Still other(s) think they are super smart and should’ve been consulted at every step of the negotiations. I respect all these gripes (except the last one.) i’m gonna be there either way on opening day (unless they price me out.) or you’re just not very funny. Could be anything Einstein I’m sure you’ll figure it out!

goddamn I love Irv now. Well said sir.

my congressman knows my name too. That’s why they’re politicians, they remember the people who gave (or might give) them money. You’re not special, no matter how hard you try to convince us.

hey to be honest, seriously, if I had that number I’d give it to you and insist on listening in. I would also like to know why a enclosed stadium wasn’t possible here, beyond the “cost feasibility” reason they cited. Don’t care about a dome either way, but I do agree with you we deserve a better answer than that. he is always apparently serious, unfortunately.

Billionaires didn’t become billionaires catching feelings, they did it counting numbers. honestly I’ve always been on the side of idgaf if the new place is covered or not covered, but a lot of things in this thread have made me question that from a value proposition - I will definitely be taking a long look at what these prices look like for us STH. of course I’ll also wait for the full fly-through of the stadium before I go apoplectic.

No, it’s the worst way to sum it all up and that’s not surprising because Einstein always does that. You have direct control over what car you buy and what options you want. That’s a 1 to 1 transaction. This is representative, not direct democracy. You (even a collective amount of angry “yous” that can’t get your dome) have no say in the planning or design of a public building built on public lands, beyond your power to vote in or out the people that eventually make those decisions. you can complain, sure. But if you’re really that bent about it, complain to the people that matter. Or vote with your wallet and cancel your seats. And not just for the new stadium, cancel them immediately.

if i pay $10 more per game, can I get snow machines blowing right in my face?

Says more about your proclivities than the architects’, to be honest.

ugh. I know. I really hope the Bills and Populous release the full, 3D fly through of the whole thing soon. I know (thanks to you) that these renders are caps of the actual model, but they still are limited to the angles they’re capped at. I’m sure when that full presentation is out, the same people will complain even harder.

well see, Einstein is very, VERY experienced in “business”, which he will remind you of if you forget. And as such, being very, VERY much a businessman, he knows more about anything than you, Mr. Architect, could ever comprehend. Including stadiums and democracy, apparently. Also his name is Einstein 🤭

Based on the general tone of this thread, I can’t tell if this is sincere or sarcasm. Doesn’t matter, great post 😄

Hey I am not going to defend how the money was secured, how much of it, should they have pressed for more or ponied up more of their own money. I don’t like anything about how these things are funded and built. I’m just saying the dollars for each respective stadium are what they are at this stage of the game and they’re not really that close.

I mean, to be fair it’s $2.1billion in TN vs $1.4B. I don’t think an $700M difference should be characterized as “not much more.” It’s a full 50% more.

Maybe. Snyder allegedly lied to BoA claiming he had board approval (which included these minority owners) for the loan application. If Snyder told the same lie to Goodell, then yes you’re right I don’t see how Goodell gets roped in. But if Goodell knew about Danny’s fib to the bank and did not do anything about it, then most certainly he too could be in hot water.

one would also think a supposed season ticket holder with so much contempt for his fellow fanbase (“20-something basement-dwellers”) and stadium design should just, I don’t know, spend their money on something else?

No what? Are you saying the TENN and WASH markets reduced capacity as well because they get more value per seat because they have customer markets that can pay more? Because that’s exactly what I and the author of the article I linked said. Then you disagreed with me. Did you bother to read the link? Because that site has covered the topic of stadium construction in this country for years. Anyways you sound ultra salty on this topic, so much so that you’re not making much sense. No one here “defending” the new stadium is making assumptions. The exact opposite really - we’re not forming assumptions based on a few screenshots that don’t show the total picture. Will it look basically like the pics from the angles supplied? Yeah probably. That doesn’t tell anywhere close to the whole story.

plan is still mid-2023 for groundbreaking, as it always has been. We’ll see. So if that’s the case why are Tennessee and Washington planning on the same thing? Do they also have the cheapest seats in the league?

I know they’re number 1 in the world in terms of revenue and it’s not particularly close: https://www.bdcnetwork.com/top-110-sports-facility-architecture-and-ae-firms-2022

more seating is exactly what they do not want in order to command more $ per seat. Hence the reduced capacity from Highmark. Tennessee and Washington are planning the same thing. edit: https://www.fieldofschemes.com/2022/11/23/19390/heres-why-nfl-teams-want-smaller-stadiums-and-its-not-about-saving-fans-from-nosebleeds/

and you’re discerning all this from a couple of wide angle pictures. this is getting a little ridiculous. These firms build billion dollar venues for a living. They know how to account for weather and drainage issues.

It’s not going to slope inwards towards the seats below bud.

A lot of different numbers have been thrown around but I suppose the easiest comparison would be Tennessee’s recently proposed enclosed stadium, since it will be constructed at the same time as the Bills’. It is reported to cost $2.2 billion. Compare that to the $1.4 billion for the Bills’. (Tennessee’s I believe is just enclosed, not retractable.)

Not a he.

maybe you get in there an hour before the game starts so you haven’t experienced it, but the concourse width and comfort @SoCal Deek mentioned are major, major issues at the current stadium. I’ve had season tickets since ‘07. The vast majority of tailgating fans are trying to cram in there 15-20 min before kickoff. Nothing puts a damper on the experience more than vast lines at the gates and gridlock within the sewer tunnel concourses before kickoff. Everyone I know has complained about it. The fact that you don’t think it’s an issue or never heard any complaints is, frankly, hard to believe.

First it was “players” don’t care about upgraded concourses, now it’s “no one.” How many games in the past, oh, 15 years or so have been affected by severe lake effect snow events?