JoPoy88

Populous. They’re a big deal and very experienced yes. https://populous.com/our-projects/stadium-experience/nfl-experience

You’re right in general terms but I think when specifically talking about PSLs it’s a little different. The PSL was invented and intended from its earliest days to do one thing: finance construction of venues. PSL holders get no benefit from providing that subsidy, other than the optional right to attend events there. Which is fine, that’s how it’s done nowadays and owners aren’t going to walk them back now. I think a lot of people have trouble not with the things themselves, but how these stadium pacts are presented, given the PSLs existence - you always hear “state/public is contributing x, with the team/owner contributing y.” In more accurate terms it’s “the general public is contributing x, while consumers of the product (ticket buyers) are contributing y. With the possibility of the owner cracking the wallet for cost overruns.” I think they’ll work if priced correctly, i.e. on the very low end.

yes. And no more bleacher seating ever.

I would’ve liked that building too (i had no preference either way). But if it was down there and covered I doubt it would host 50 events.

my money’s on you being wrong, and so far I’ve never lost.

This is demonstrably false. 55 years old and you’re here posting blatant lies and can’t construct a single coherent sentence, let alone paragraph. seriously what is going on. By the way if you were curious as to Bon Jovi’s partners in the Bills’ bid were: Larry Tenanbaum (Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment); and Edward Rogers (Rogers Communications). Now there’s something about them two guys that I just can’t place, something similar…🤔🤔🤔

Lol yeah. So the guy that owns the team is the “middle man.” starting to think this is an @Einstein burner.

Like who?

that is almost a certainty yes.

Every single time they build one of these things, no matter when or where, the actual costs are higher than the original estimates. SoFi cost billions more than originally projected. I’m not saying NYS isn’t corrupt, but this isn’t a particularly good example of it. And why is inflation in quotes? Do you believe it actually doesn’t exist?

Well if you fully realize the situation (and clearly you do-the tix are going to expensive) and then proceed to hand them your money anyways your complaints have no merit and you deserve to get fleeced.

wow thanks for the breaking news.

Seems like the perfect thread for the self proclaimed football geniuses that liked Breece Hall to show up and raise their hands.

Buffalo was never getting a Super Bowl, dome or no dome. An “expo”? A business conference at a football stadium? incredibly stupid is right.

100% agree. On Populous’ site page for the stadium, they speak of this “Family circle” open area (the area with the large bison sculpture.) I’m assuming they have plans to utilize that space.

The transpo hub was part of the agreement between the team and county. That deal’s done. Any on-site eatery/bar/restaurant would (most likely) be a partnership between the team and private vendors. Those deals are not done. So apples and oranges there.

I am not talking about secondary development in the vicinity around the stadium. I’m talking about on-site amenities like the ones he’s complaining about. Things that don’t have to be open year round to survive. Family zone-type areas? A staffed bar or restaurant? I see no reason why they could not incorporate these things into the place. And I have not read that these things have been ruled out. No, I don’t think the new stadium is going to catalyze all sorts of new commercial development around it in Orchard Park. Nor do I care in the slightest. I go to watch the game. I tailgate, I bring my food.

Again you’re hammering away at this bar/restaurants and family zone gripe. We’re over 3 years away from the thing opening. They haven’t stuck one shovel in the ground yet. And yet you keep insisting and assuming this place won’t have these things. Nothing like that has been announced yet. Can you not wait and see? Yes I’ve been to other NFL/MLB/NHL/NBA venues all over the place.

Where was it claimed this stadium was the “cheapest possible” option? What state of the art amenities are you referring to that have been confirmed omitted from this project? How does this building show the Bills don’t belong in the League?

lol. Okay man. Those are, uh, ideas. ”Yeah just take the existing 50 year old decrepit stadium and dome it and technology it.”

I get you as far as maintenance goes but if Green Bay can do it we can do it. It’s better for the players. if a game gets cancelled, postponed or moves due to a blizzard again it won’t be because of the natural turf. It’ll be because no one can get to the game. Sorta like what just happened. Your argument is weak.

Aiming for June 1. They just announced that all the contracts were signed today.

okayyyy….yeah because baseball games getting postponed in the north in April due to weather is so out of the ordinary and rare…. And we’re now complaining about natural turf for the football stadium? I thought natural turf has shown to be safer and much preferred by players? And now it’s also a bad thing? So much going on here. Backup tarp? Is the “primary” tarp broken? Ripped?

uncomfortable? Not really. Maybe he used a more unseemly example for effect but doesn’t bother me - the point was charities are not always on the level and can be abused. In any case, I’m not involved in that back and forth - I responded to somebody else asking specifically about Damar’s foundation.

I mean, he is right about a lot of charities being shady. That’s why orgs like CharityWatch exist. There’s been nothing untoward about Hamlin’s charity yet. I doubt they’ve even used any of the money at this point. Up until his injury it was a simple gofundme with a goal of $2,500 to be used to buy some kids presents at Christmas. Now they have $9mil to manage and from reports (from CharityWatch, see my link above) he and his people are going through the proper steps to manage those kinds of donations.