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Josh had carried every single one of his weapons” to their best seasons of their career, it’s not hard to see, Allen is carrying the roster around him. Aside from Diggs, there’s not a game changer on the O and even Diggs is more consistent than spectacular. If Davis was as great as we want him to be, how did The Ghost of Manny Sanders keep him on the bench? So far he’s looked to be an adequate #3 WR. I like him, I want him to be the 1B this year, but until you do something it’s nothing. Beasley never produced like he did here and he’s so good he’s unemployed right now. John Brown, what can we say about JB, other than the guy should never be your number 1 and JA made it work. He had people thinking the Bills hit the lotto with Robert Foster FCOL. Allen is the Bills, without him, this is a sub 500 team. MaHomies had the most explosive WR in the NFL and the Best TE in the game to work with, along with a bunch of other speedsters. Rodgers also carries his team, outside of Adams he’s had nothing to work with for years, but he does have a better running game than the Bills. I don’t often say this, but I think Simms is spot on.

Morse has been average and got paid as the best C in the game, poor value there. Beasley was way over paid for as well, though I did love him on the team. If you take a look at all the FA signings, it’s a big list of misses in all honesty. Guys who didn’t make the team, had to take pay cuts to stay or couldn’t justify being paid what we signed them to as soon as it was possible to release them. Diggs you gave up a first round pick for in a WR rich draft class and have had to pay him as a top player, which he is, but you could have taken Jefferson right in the same spot and got the same production on a rookie deal for 5 years. The Diggs deal ended up working out pretty well for both teams, but the Vikes ultimately won that deal and there’s no real argument on that. I think if you are honest with yourself, you would recognize this team is not a great team without JA. JA has made Every single WR he played with have a career best year, he’s carried the team to wins. The rest of the guys they have added around him are not that great aside from Diggs. Cleveland has a more talented roster and has 2 QBs with massive deals on their books, PLUS has 30M in cap left. The Bills are ina good spot, but Beane has not been anywhere near as great as this board wants to believe. Allen covers up a LOT. Aside from Allen, you could argue he has yet to hit in another 1st or second round pick ( I have high hopes for Groot, but he’s proven nothing yet). All of them have underperformed their draft spot. He’s done pretty well in the 3rd round and down.

When you get the list narrowed down to Beane’s picks, we’ll talk. If that list of FA’s is good to you, I don’t think this is a conversation worth having to be honest.

Spot on. If you took away Allen, Beane would be unemployed. His drafts have not been great, FA has been bordering on AWFUL. Guaranteeing Chris Ivory almost 3M anyone? Good lord. Overpaid talent has been the name of the game. His UDFA have been bigger hits than his drafts in general. The thing is, he has Polianitis, he drafted a great QB, even if he fails to do Jack ***** and that QB covers him, he looks great. It’s gonna be a great career for him.

Nah, you are mistaking it for Binghamton, who made it that far, while IBM was still building computers haha.

They are all ***** holes. They were built as industrial cities and all the industry died. Were it not for Binghamton University, the whole area would be dead.

I would have been more excited if somebody from Costco bought it, it would have been great to get a $1.99 hotdog and soda, or a whole Pizza for the cost of a beer at most places. Either way, I’m sure they will get sweet volume discounts on numerous goods. Maybe they can get a decent deal on a herd of QBs.

Never hurts to surround yourself with the best in the business, regardless of what work you do. Good for these guys getting out and learning. I think Groot might learn a good bit from C Campbell, very similar builds early in their career, if Groot adds weight, that may be what you have.

A guy averaging 190 yards on 58% completions, not to mention atrocious ball security, he was looking like what he was in college, an athlete that got to play QB, not much more. Year 3, it clicked and he became the JA we see now.

I think Danny Dimes can make a career in the NFL, he was over drafted, but he does have the tools. He’s been given a garbage situation to deal with. He’s probably more of a high end back up than starter, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him make some major progress towards solidifying himself as a mid level starter this year. Allen looked like a bust after year 2 and that’s really where Jones is considering the injury last year. Year 3 has traditionally been the break out year for QBs. I still feel like he has a shot to come into his own.

Fun topic! I’m struggling between Action Jackson or Beast Mode. Jackson All Pro Dareus TKO

This is ALWAYS a point to consider when talking stats. The eras were so different. It would have been fun to see Kelly in place of Warner with the Rams. I feel like that would have been something special, it was a similar offense to the K-Gun, but in an era where passing started to take off. The Rams even had a similar team make up in that time Bruce, Holt, Faulk would be the modern equivalent of Reed, Lofton, Thurman. In todays world, he would be putting up 4500+ yards a year without getting beat up, it would be different for sure. I take nothing away from Kelly, but I still feel he was always in the “really good” category, not the “elite” group. That said, I put most guys in that group. To me, Brady has now officially created his own category, hate him, but nobody has done what he has done, period, end of discussion. Then you have the All-Time Greats, the Montana, Marino, etc. Then there are the HoF guys that we superb, that’s where I find Kelly, Aikmen, etc. In context, I also see Rodgers in that group because of his proficiency of choking in the Playoffs. Right now, there’s 3, maybe 4 guys in the league that even show me potential to be considered the elite, Maholmes, Allen, Burrow and Herbert, they all have to show sustained success to get anywhere near the real elite level. Maholmes’ start of his career is insane, hate all you want, but what he has done in such a short time is incredible. Allen looks to be catching up, but wins ultimately make a difference. Burrow is one hell of a QB without all the athletic traits you would love and has also started out really hot. Herbert , athletic freak, looks the part and has to make the team better, stats are eye popping.

Yep, I agree completely. In todays world, I’d have him right there with a Matt Stafford, really good, but not in the conversation for “best”.

Crazy part, he would have added ~3500+ yards to that last year had he stayed healthy. Kind of a bummer he didn’t, but what a career.

They gave up a lot to make all those moves, Specifically, Patrick Maholmes. The GM didn’t magically get 2 first round picks. They had 2 picks in the first bc of the trade down the year before. They gave up a starting LT, to move up a few spots in the first, pre-draft, and packaged a lot of picks to get where they wanted to go from there. The key part was the trade down the year before, which was not Beane. Had they stayed put and drafted Maholmes, they could have used all those picks to build a better team around him, but nobody wants to face that fact.

I’m with you, except I think Bernard is yet another wasted 3rd round pick, and they’ll be drafting a LB higher next year to replace the guy they could have drafted hadn’t been fixated on a “need” position in the rounds before. If they re-sign Edmunds to a top 5 level deal, I’ll officially give up on McBeane.

Yeah, it looks better for the NFL in court later.

Is it a check down if you are already throwing as far as you can? Might make a difference for Tua.

Jalen Hurts a top 15 QB, I’m done.

Key take away, if Punt God can’t learn to add hang time, we are getting Haack baack.

They misspelled shagging, but I’m cool w it.

Yep, with amazing punctuation as well.

How about accounting for the fact the guy was a rookie and managed how many yards on those 81 catches? Chase is more physically gifted, and already performing at an insane level.

As many times as he’s interviewed and NOT been hired, something is up. Where there’s smoke there’s fire or Marcel Dareus.

This is why an agent is valuable, take the emotions to a minimum and be smart. Trying to squeeze an extra 3 Million a year out of a deal isn’t worth risking 35+ a year for the next 4-6 years.