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Jacobs has always gotten that. He deferred his signing bonus until the team got to Nevada so he didn’t get crushed by California taxes. The guy is smart.

You NAILED it, He’s an elite talent at a premier position that’s had injury issues. He looked to be on his way to a monster career out of the gate and injuries have slowed him since. He’s going to get paid big in year 5 either on a prove it deal or as a massive long term deal. You roll the dice on a big time player at a premium position. I got all the hate from the homers earlier in the thread for saying the Bills did not use their 5 year options well. The reason they didn’t is simple, neither Oliver nor Edmunds plays a premium position and neither has ever flashed greatness for more than a game at a time. Those same haters all thought Gabe Davis was the next Megatron off of one game. There’s a real world a Bills fan perception I guess.

2 things. Why would anybody trade for the production of Oliver and that contract? Maybe a 6th rounder at best for a desperate team. You will be lucky to find any takers on a one year rental of a guy who has been consistently inconsistent. And 2, this staff has been atrocious at identifying/developing talent on either line. AJE won at Iowa by over powering sub par competition. His combine showed a guy without the burst, bend and general athleticism to be an edge rusher in the NFL, so what do we do, try to make a square peg fit a round hole. I don’t think you have to worry about him becoming much more than he is. He’s barely been on the field.

From the team that traded for Wentz, I can’t say I’m surprised. They are idiots to not pick it up, he’s the type of guy you WANT to use it on. You get another year with him on a lower salary, once he hits the market you are paying 20+ and a massive signing bonus. Yeah he’s been injured, but when he’s on the field he’s been really good. Guys like Oliver and Edmunds are the worst types to use it on, if a guy hasn’t emerged by year 3, you don’t exercise the option, that’s when you play the game of a franchise tag if they finally blow up or take them at a lower price for longer term if they are staying as a “solid starter” type.

Championship

Nope, the original post was that Douglas is in hot water based on QB misses, but good otherwise. I asked, would you rather have him?

QB hides a lot. In comparison, would you take Douglas vs Beane aside from the QB misses? The thing is there are like 10 guys at any given time in the NFL that ever stand out as a Qb, you have one, you win games. Aside from Allen, I think Beane would be gone. It’s not only the draft, but his FA and his handling of the 5th year options has been awful too.

Ok, then hold him accountable for the failures of his own. The fact is he tried to say Cincinnati is better because they have been drafting higher and KC has been drafting below us and finding better players.

I said, “I think”, I don’t know.

Comments Beane made when asked if they got their guy, something to effect of “we’re happy to have Josh”. It wasn’t exactly, “he was the guy we were really hoping to land, couldn’t be more excited!” They also spent a lot of time on Baker and he was the more pro ready guy, who do you think McD would be more confident in?

I don’t think that’s even a question. Imagine giving up what they did to move up and land anybody else besides Jackson, who wasn’t really considered one of the top choices. Beane went all in and won, but it didn’t really seem like Allen was the primary target, I think Beane would have taken Baker if he could have and had to settle for the raw prospect.

I’d like to understand the metrics as well. Let’s be honest, starter by default is not a ringing endorsement of success, but it may be in some metrics.

Yep, they have out drafted the Bills at virtually every corner, starting with Maholmes. This last draft is one of, if not the biggest example of Beane’s tendency to lock onto a position and draft purely for need, regardless of the talent on the board. Need CB, force that pick, “need” a pass catching RB, force that pick. Need a cover LB for this antique defensive system WAY WAY over draft a character guy who’s coach happens to be a McD buddy.. Just awful. KC sees a player they want, moves ahead of the likely teams who would draft them, lands the player the Bills want, who subsequently force a pick that doesn’t fit their scheme. KC screwed up once in drafting a pass catching back and realizes they don’t need to waste high picks on a RB with their system, draft a speed/size guy late, who crushes the output of the Bills second rounder.. forget about Boogie instead of Humphrey etc. Beane’s drafts are mediocre at best if you subtract Allen, which btw was another forced pick, but it did work out.

That’s why it’s a one year deal, he’s looked like he doesn’t want to be there anymore, hoping the change of scenery will do him good.

I’m an Edmunds hater, that said, if you can keep him for $11M, you do it. That’s mid trot money for a guy who’s still only 13 and can develop more. He had a career year, not saying a lot IMO, but he did. If you can get him at that price point, go for it. I suspect the real market for him is 17-18M and at that I’m waaaaay out. I’m sure there are teams looking at him as untapped potential to use his speed/size in a more aggressive scheme and they’re sort of right. If you let him chase the ball, he’s going to be better than this situation where we ask him to rely on instincts he’s never had. Either go grab La’Vonte David for a 5M/yr discount or look to the draft, the way we use LBs Edmunds won’t be special here.

Michael Thomas, 1 year, prove it deal. Covers everything we need if healthy. Big body WR, check. Sure hands, check. Experience, check. Works the middle, Check. Legit 1A to Steph, check. That’s your solution, just gotta make it happen.

Chiefs 38 Eagles 17 My interest is already gone.

The Bills can’t afford to bring DS back, much less afford the premier back in FA. They are going to have to either use ANOTHER pick on a back or go UDFA. Would have been better off keeping Blackshear last year and letting Moss walk, but ya know, loyalties. It’s time to start making some hard decisions and cutting the fat again. Sean’s prize “core special teamers” need to be the first ones shown the door. There’s quite a bit of money tied to non-impact guys, it’s a luxury you should never have had, but no longer can afford.

To think, with one more guy withdrawing, Case Keenum could have been in there at QB.

Just get somebody in front of Allen that can hold their ground. I don’t care who, don’t care how. To me, WR needs to be addressed early, it’s now a 20M+/yr position (thanks idiot Raiders). You are going to have to not only find one, but have a replacement in the wings when you can’t re-sign the next one. The Bengals have a sweet deal right now with a rookie contract for their QB, and 2 stud WRs, that’s a game changer. We’re stuck on the other side of it. We’ll have to move on from Diggs sooner than later with the impending cap issues. It’s time to start flinging poop and hoping it sticks.

Exactly. I carry zero hope into next year. I won’t be surprised to miss the playoffs.

And 12 other QBs didn’t get there.. including Allen.. I can waste my time pulling up the stats Allen put up against the Jags last year or even just the last half of this season and we can determine he’s not a top 10 qb in comparison to others in a short snap shot.

The Bills already blew it with Oliver. There was ZERO upside to using the 5th year option on him or Edmunds. They now have a guy they can’t trade because of his underwhelming play and high dollar contract. He’s just a cap space eater, not particularly useful. Either one of them could have been franchised if they broke out or been signed to a long term contract earlier for less if they actually stepped up. Now, you will watch Edmunds walk, who I didn’t want back, but could have been signed for 5 years around 13M each, now is going to get 18. Oliver would also find himself at a bargain rate situation if he was hitting FA this year, now you get to over pay him for this year and IF he breaks out, you get to pay him an elevated contract for longer. It’s a gross misuse of the 5th year option.

Would have been nice. He’s always got somebody taking attention for him and he’s mainly a deep ball guy, so just wait for him to be THE man and I don’t see him being that special. A lot of guys look good with another dominant guy drawing coverage, can even have a small stretch where they appear good on their own, but once teams know who to take out of the game and how, it’s all over.

Burrow has beaten Maholmes when it matters, Allen hasn’t. That’s not a take, that’s fact. Burrow has also beaten Maholmes more in the regular season as well. Burrow had a far better year than Allen this year, that’s fact. Burrow destroyed the Bills and Allen, that’s fact. Burrow is currently regarded as the better QB by everyone that doesn’t love the Bills. Yeah? Who won? Who has the credit for the game winning drive? Who has won every playoff match-up? Sorry, but moral victories don’t count in the real world.