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No hole created, happy to have him back.

Wow, I like this much more than I initially did. That’s a nice deal especially with the ability to cut him next season if he slows down like he did at the end of this year. Nice work Beaner! I’d be ok with upto a 3rd round pick on a safety. No offense to Hamlin, but we’re it not for the crazy event, most would be looking for an upgrade over him this year. He didn’t show a whole lot on the field. He seems like a class act and obviously, it’s awesome he plans to return, but I wouldn’t bank on him as an impact player.

I think the OP has a point to a certain extent on contract management by the Bills. Beane made a great move getting Josh’s deal done, and that was a risk well rewarded. On the opposite end of it all, I feel like Edmunds and Oliver’s deals have been poorly managed. The advantage to a fifth year option is obvious in being able to lock a guy up at a relatively reasonable price for 5 years, but it’s also a negotiation point for earlier extensions AND you don’t have to use it on questionable players. The problem the Bills had was both Oliver and Edmunds were kind of tough to evaluate their value. Edmunds has all the potential in the world and just isn’t great. Oliver, well, I’m not a fan. The thing is, I would not have used the option on either guy because of their under performance leading up to that time. Had you not activated the option, you still had franchise tags to use, even if non-exclusive where you could get them back for a similar pay rate for that 5th year or gotten picks for them. Instead, you got a situation where you wound up over paying them both for the 5th year of service and then Edmunds actually played well enough to get a raise, now you go into the same problem with Oliver. If he balls out, he’s gone, if he continues his current pace, he’s still probably gone and you overpaid AND both will be gone for nothing. The better option would have been either a tag if you were in love after year 4 or an extension that locked them up at actual market value. You could have had Edmunds for 10-12M a year for another 3-5 years and Oliver would be looking at 7-9M (and I still wouldn’t do it). The 5th year option is a bit of a trap if you activate it and I think the Bills fell into it twice.

Its simple in my eyes, the team was a dumpster fire, not worthy of the fan base it had for those 17 years. Now the team has the one key ingredient to winning and you had better do something with it. There’s no reason to accept “good” just because you were used to awful. The piece is in place, go get it done.

J.K. Allen

At least Beane went after someone with some play making ability, that’s been sorely lacking. Is this the right guy? I have no clue.

Exactly

Get the breakdown on that, bc it’s wrong. Or better yet, YOU explain how it’s right. I’ll wait. If they TRADE him, not cut him, they must pay out his signing bonus and his restructures. Signing bonus has 4.3M x 4 years, plus restructure money of ~ 11M, meaning they could eat about 24M of dead cap, all the other money he’s trying to lump in there transfers on with the contact. Make it post June 1 and you cut it in half. It (was) POSSIBLE and technically still is, but stupid. As a post June 1 move, it’s less than his actual hit for the year. Based on todays move, they took his base down to Vet min, and paid him that in a signing bonus, meaning it added 1.2ish to his hit every year here after. They must have also converted some of next years money too. So that’s going to add on more. They also have to add his guaranteed option bonus within this week, which tacks on 16M, which will get spread out as a secondary signing bonus. Once that is added, there’s another 3.2 per year of cap hit, so his deal is going to get out of hand if we keep kicking the can down the road.

Brissett is going to be paid very well, look at the guys that weren’t as good as him, 5+ a year for back ups, no way we can waste that on a back up.

I mean, I’m good w the Oliver part of it.. picks.. ehhh

He’s already 36th in all time Rec yards and 28th all time in catches, playing with mostly scrubs at QB. He’ll likely finish his career inside the top 10 in both categories, especially if he goes to a team w a real QB. Not to mention he’s a 5 time All-pro, the guy is a first ballot HOF player. He’s played on trash teams, not hard to see that.

That’s how I would take it. DHop or OBJ inbound.

Ed Oliver for Matt Corrall, boom done. Cap saved and back up QB with potential and cheap all handled.

I don’t disagree, I’m simply pointing out the fact he COULD have easily been traded if they wanted to this year. People see the “dead cap” number on Sportrac and think that’s the cost to trade players and it’s not necessarily the case. In his case it would have been a fortune to cut him, but his signing bonus wasn’t exorbitant and would have made the dead cap hit reasonable.

Just stop, you are talking about a first ballot HOF player, one of the very best in the game for the last decade vs a below average #2.

Cap is going up in the future and contracts will come off as well. You can kick the can down the road quite a while, eventually you have to push reset for a year, which is probably around 3 years out when they eat the Miller deal, probably part way with Diggs, and then slap an extension on Allen to reset that situation. You are taking a shot to win in the next two to 3 years right now. The Chefs got a SB win in their cap reset year, if you draft well and have a great QB anything can happen, we are going to need to crush some drafts to make it happen without pain.

Not true, his dead cap IF CUT, would have been too big to swallow because you have to immediately pay his guaranteed money. However, if traded, we are on the hook for his signing bonus, which was not huge, he could have been traded pretty easily, the guaranteed money would have followed the contract, the new team would have to take it on, which is still very decent for a top WR. Doing this added 5.4M to what we would have to eat on Dead cap in a trade or cut, making it virtually impossible to move on from him.

No, he was plenty easy to trade before based on his current contract, this makes him all the harder for the Bills to absorb the money to trade him as it accelerates what he would cost on our cap. He’s now here for this year, bar none, no way around it.

I mean, he was the guy that proved Carr was so useless a WR could outscore him..

I know I should be wishing on Offense, but I want to see CJ Gardner Johnson rocking a Bills uniform next year. If we could get Wagner/David and Gardner Johnson, I feel like the D gets nastier and better, which would be a nice step. Ideal world, we can go into the draft after a WR and OL help.

In so much as saying, here’s an extra 11%, sure…

Perfect.

And he should have taken it, the money he stood to “lose” by signing early, was/would have been easily made up in the time value of the money. Had he signed them and had a reasonable investor take his signing bonus to make him money, he’d be up 50-100% on that right now and be looking at another handful of restructures that hand him more bags of cash. Instead he tried to maximize the per year cash and waited, it was a stupid gamble and he’s cost himself a fortune, then got hung up on an outlier contract that he again needs to move on from because he now has exactly zero leverage and is going to play for less than he should even in his prime negotiation phase. Lesson to the youngsters, if you wouldn’t hire your mom to be you surgeon if she wasn’t one, you shouldn’t be hiring her as an agent if she wasn’t one. Ego and emotion have cost the man millions if not hundreds of millions at this point.

Reports are the Jets are trying to sign Lazard and he may be a contingency for Rodgers. We could use a big body and good run blocker. The rumor mill says they are competing with one other team, I hope it’s us.