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I don’t think that’s even a question. Imagine giving up what they did to move up and land anybody else besides Jackson, who wasn’t really considered one of the top choices. Beane went all in and won, but it didn’t really seem like Allen was the primary target, I think Beane would have taken Baker if he could have and had to settle for the raw prospect.

I’d like to understand the metrics as well. Let’s be honest, starter by default is not a ringing endorsement of success, but it may be in some metrics.

Yep, they have out drafted the Bills at virtually every corner, starting with Maholmes. This last draft is one of, if not the biggest example of Beane’s tendency to lock onto a position and draft purely for need, regardless of the talent on the board. Need CB, force that pick, “need” a pass catching RB, force that pick. Need a cover LB for this antique defensive system WAY WAY over draft a character guy who’s coach happens to be a McD buddy.. Just awful. KC sees a player they want, moves ahead of the likely teams who would draft them, lands the player the Bills want, who subsequently force a pick that doesn’t fit their scheme. KC screwed up once in drafting a pass catching back and realizes they don’t need to waste high picks on a RB with their system, draft a speed/size guy late, who crushes the output of the Bills second rounder.. forget about Boogie instead of Humphrey etc. Beane’s drafts are mediocre at best if you subtract Allen, which btw was another forced pick, but it did work out.

That’s why it’s a one year deal, he’s looked like he doesn’t want to be there anymore, hoping the change of scenery will do him good.

I’m an Edmunds hater, that said, if you can keep him for $11M, you do it. That’s mid trot money for a guy who’s still only 13 and can develop more. He had a career year, not saying a lot IMO, but he did. If you can get him at that price point, go for it. I suspect the real market for him is 17-18M and at that I’m waaaaay out. I’m sure there are teams looking at him as untapped potential to use his speed/size in a more aggressive scheme and they’re sort of right. If you let him chase the ball, he’s going to be better than this situation where we ask him to rely on instincts he’s never had. Either go grab La’Vonte David for a 5M/yr discount or look to the draft, the way we use LBs Edmunds won’t be special here.

Michael Thomas, 1 year, prove it deal. Covers everything we need if healthy. Big body WR, check. Sure hands, check. Experience, check. Works the middle, Check. Legit 1A to Steph, check. That’s your solution, just gotta make it happen.

Chiefs 38 Eagles 17 My interest is already gone.

The Bills can’t afford to bring DS back, much less afford the premier back in FA. They are going to have to either use ANOTHER pick on a back or go UDFA. Would have been better off keeping Blackshear last year and letting Moss walk, but ya know, loyalties. It’s time to start making some hard decisions and cutting the fat again. Sean’s prize “core special teamers” need to be the first ones shown the door. There’s quite a bit of money tied to non-impact guys, it’s a luxury you should never have had, but no longer can afford.

To think, with one more guy withdrawing, Case Keenum could have been in there at QB.

Just get somebody in front of Allen that can hold their ground. I don’t care who, don’t care how. To me, WR needs to be addressed early, it’s now a 20M+/yr position (thanks idiot Raiders). You are going to have to not only find one, but have a replacement in the wings when you can’t re-sign the next one. The Bengals have a sweet deal right now with a rookie contract for their QB, and 2 stud WRs, that’s a game changer. We’re stuck on the other side of it. We’ll have to move on from Diggs sooner than later with the impending cap issues. It’s time to start flinging poop and hoping it sticks.

Exactly. I carry zero hope into next year. I won’t be surprised to miss the playoffs.

And 12 other QBs didn’t get there.. including Allen.. I can waste my time pulling up the stats Allen put up against the Jags last year or even just the last half of this season and we can determine he’s not a top 10 qb in comparison to others in a short snap shot.

The Bills already blew it with Oliver. There was ZERO upside to using the 5th year option on him or Edmunds. They now have a guy they can’t trade because of his underwhelming play and high dollar contract. He’s just a cap space eater, not particularly useful. Either one of them could have been franchised if they broke out or been signed to a long term contract earlier for less if they actually stepped up. Now, you will watch Edmunds walk, who I didn’t want back, but could have been signed for 5 years around 13M each, now is going to get 18. Oliver would also find himself at a bargain rate situation if he was hitting FA this year, now you get to over pay him for this year and IF he breaks out, you get to pay him an elevated contract for longer. It’s a gross misuse of the 5th year option.

Would have been nice. He’s always got somebody taking attention for him and he’s mainly a deep ball guy, so just wait for him to be THE man and I don’t see him being that special. A lot of guys look good with another dominant guy drawing coverage, can even have a small stretch where they appear good on their own, but once teams know who to take out of the game and how, it’s all over.

Burrow has beaten Maholmes when it matters, Allen hasn’t. That’s not a take, that’s fact. Burrow has also beaten Maholmes more in the regular season as well. Burrow had a far better year than Allen this year, that’s fact. Burrow destroyed the Bills and Allen, that’s fact. Burrow is currently regarded as the better QB by everyone that doesn’t love the Bills. Yeah? Who won? Who has the credit for the game winning drive? Who has won every playoff match-up? Sorry, but moral victories don’t count in the real world.

In his defense, he was throwing to guys the Bills cut and the Bills have some of the worst WR depth in the league. Oh please, I suppose you still think the Bills should have give Reich the reigns over Kelly too.

He’s another Peerless Price, let somebody else fall on that sword.

So far, Allen hasn’t gotten it done, Maholmes IS the unquestioned best, Burrow looks to be #2 at this point and he’s actually taken Maholmes down in their biggest games. Allen has yet to beat Maholmes in a meaningful game. I think Allen is more Farve than Rivers, he’s got that wild man to him, he’s fun to watch, he tries to do it all and his team is built just like GB, all the resources dedicated to anything but weapons on O and there are plenty of teams that are better overall, so he has to be perfect.

I agree he is over conservative, but maybe part of it is that the rookies just aren’t very good. This year, had to fit Elam in who’s a man cover guy into a zone scheme. Cook wasn’t even a starter in college. Bernard.. should have been UDFA, has absolutely zero NFL traits… etc.

Another Beane blunder, with the 5th year option, he’s virtually unreadable

Hines either renegotiates or is gone. Motor will have to be cheap, but in all honesty, I can’t see them bringing him back, he should get a reasonable deal in FA and the Bills should recognize they could have just kept their own UDFA last year and had equal production, there’s no real reason to commit resources to RB.

It looks like he can be a serviceable CB, if they think he can be a Hyde type and go to near elite at S, that’s awesome.

I know it’s wrong, but I kinda want all that to happen and have the Bills miss the playoffs so some changes have to be made.

I can understand looking at reality and saying, Dorsey wasn’t perfect, but we see potential, let’s let him run it back and get some more weapons for him. Kromer, major disappointment and I wonder if he got sent packing from LA because he’s great at an older approach and not getting the linemen where they need to be for a more wide open O. Purely a 2 second thought here, but the line was not good… I could see him being gone. Frazier, enough is enough. Yes, the scheme works well enough to win games when the offense scores a lot, but it’s actually counter productive to the team success. We want JA on the field, allowing teams to dink and dunk down the field and burn clock is NOT what we should strive for. Go for the kill, if you get burned, cool Josh, go get ‘em. If you get the ball back quicker, cool, Josh go get ‘em. Waiting for a good team to screw up means you lose the time of possession game and ultimately your offense has to be perfect and quick to win. It’s a bad formula for the post season. Ultimately, we need to look at the formula overall. You are a poor weather, outdoor team. Relying on a finesse game to score and big bombs down the field to be converted is fun, and doable, in good weather or a dome. As soon as the wind kicked up, snow flew and we had to play in the elements, the team began to struggle. Does everyone think it coincidence that Josh starts off on fire and flames out every year (statistically)? Or that many of his biggest games come on the road? I’m not saying build a Ravens offense, but I’m saying you need to look at something like the Pats ran with Brady. Quick hitters, the wind doesn’t bother, have a run game that can punch a team in the mouth and then when they try to take it away, go to the next level. I don’t know about you, but I thought it worked pretty well for NE. You could easily ask Diggs to play the Welker/Edelman role where he gets to do whatever the hell he wants, but mostly focus on the quick throws and gets fed the ball 15 targets a game. Use Knox as a Gronk type. If you destroy the middle of the field, they have to drop LBs back a bit and then you hit them with the runnning backs, who should be more the bully types. How KC finds Pacheco that late in the draft for a battering Ram with 4.3 speed is beyond me, but we need a guy like him or a rookie year Karlos Williams, big punisher with enough juice to make a missed tackle into 15 yards. We need to take a page from Bellicheck and dare I say it, Doug Whaley, get guys that are bigger and faster than the guys they are playing against. Be Physical. We don’t need dancing bears, we need Josh to have a pocket and we need some holes opened up for the RB between the tackles. Speed rushers never were Brady’s problem, you just step out of their path, the real key is some hogs inside that don’t let Dick Grabber come right up in Josh’s grille every pass attempt. Yeah no. I’m not accepting the “we draft too late” excuse. KC is drafting after us every year and keeps replenishing talent and whooping our ass in the playoffs. It’s poor talent evaluation and poor use of resources.

He was my favorite prospect of the QBs last year, not sure if it will all translate into the NFL, but they got a steal there. He’s got the “stuff” to be a good one, let’s see if it ever actually happens.