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Except he’s done exactly the opposite in KC, but cool story.

Ask yourself, how big is the gap between Cook for 2 downs and using Davis or Johnson for 3rd down bc Cook has so many holes in his game, vs letting Davis play? I’d argue it’s not that big. Certainly not 10M a year difference. If Cook was a complete back, I’d be right there with you, but Barkley is worth 12 and Henry 8, Cook has no ground to stand on at all asking 15.

mostly agree, but the drafting leads to the FA signings and that’s where the trouble comes. No cheap contributors means you have to fill holes with other cheap guys and your roster becomes mid. You MUST find impact players in the draft. The Beane strategy of drafting to fill holes leads to missing out on the best talent. Now you have a hole filled w mid talent and your competition gets the difference makers, maybe not a position of “need” but the team is better off for it.

No, it’s like a 2nd, it’s still before the 3rd

Yep bc he’s going to eat their cap space for 67 yards a game, woooo scary.

In reality, most starters are taking up more than 4% once they hit a second deal. The QB takes up a massive percentage. The balance is finding a way to pay about 8 guys a total of 50+% of the cap and fill the rest of the roster with good enough players to be competitive. This is why drafting is SO IMPORTANT and finding impact players is a HUGE deal. This is also the thing Beane has failed to do here. The talent on the roster is severely lower than the Chiefs, Eagles, Ravens, etc because the drafts have not yielded any impact players. His best pick outside of Allen, has been Benford, a 6th round pick. That’s flat out scary and explains the roster issues.

Garrett or Crosby would be huge. I’m all set on Von Miller 2.0, let the Cowgirls deal with all that drama.

I hear what you are saying, but to me, it’s time to retool the D. Groot is a solid player, but unfortunately, not a real game changer. I’m happy to have him back, but if the projections are anywhere near right, you can’t afford to be over paying for him and Oliver and 2 other guys that you either have to invest big draft capital in or pay big money just to hide the fact the other 2 have no real impact. These are the types of contracts that kill a team. Oliver is a replacement level starter being paid like a top 10 DT. Groot will be on the same path. You can’t afford to make the same mistake. If you could dump Oliver.. ok I guess. Bernard is solid, but he has the same issue as Milano, he’s too small, too fragile and too slow. He gets washed out of plays way too easily and needs space to operate, he’s offers next to nothing on the blitz because a stiff breeze can knock him off course. I like the guy, but he’s not one to invest in. This is specifically where I think the team needs to retool in a big way. LB has been a gapping hole for a while… I hate to say it, since Edmunds left and it wasn’t great then. Milano is a walking med tent, everyone else is mediocre. The lack of impact from the LB position is a MAJOR reason this team gets its ass beat in the run and TEs have their way with them. Let everyone play out their contracts, but two new starters are needed here. Benford, though a definite product of the system is really good in the system. Pay the man.

Agreed, this has the potential to look really good if Shakir can stay healthy and incrementally improve year over year. He’s talented and the real key to the offense IMO. I’m all for a similar type of deal for Benford. That’s where I stop though. Cook is out of his mind on value, he should be paid around 9M based on performance and limitations, but I hope he gets it somewhere else because he’s not a true game changer IMO and that’s the ONLY reason to pay a RB. I’m really not keen on Bernard (too small and injury prone), Groot (too much magician in his blood, likes to disappear in big moments), or really any one else right now. This roster is very much lacking in difference makers and you can’t get those guys if you are paying a bunch of Ok players. Good is the Enemy of Great, it’s time to be great.

from a production standpoint, it may not be a super value, but his value to the team is unquestioned.

To be clear, he has minimal trade value because of the draft class and team’s unwillingness to pay RBs, BUT you suggest we should make him one of the highest paid back in the league, while we also need a 3rd down back bc he can’t block and his hands are suspect at best. I just can’t see how anyone could argue.

The difference, Moulds was an athlete who needed to learn the game. Unfortunately, in todays produce now league, nobody is waiting for that. Coleman needs to improve a lot and fast.

The running game was not about those guys, they moved on and looked good, now whoever is on the field here looks good, that’s scheme, not the guys. Is there a difference between guys? Sure. Is it worth 10M a year more for Cook vs Davis? I don’t believe it is. I know Bills fans are all excited about Cook, but here’s the hard facts; he barely broke 1k in yards this year and had to play garbage time to do it. He was not much better the year before when he was the primary guy. His blocking and inconsistency in the pass game has our RB 2 and 3 on the field way too much to justify paying him like a 3 down back. His production and limitations are those that match a guy that gets HALF of what he thinks he’s worth. He wants more than Saquon and Henry, that’s ludicrous. The fact people here have no issue paying him Saquon money is just as dumb. Barkley is THE BEST in the league. Cook is maybe top 10.

I honestly am over it, if we were still in the doldrums, I would have quit watching about 3 years ago. The sad part is, I watch without really getting into it anymore bc I just wait for the refs to reverse whatever the league doesn’t want.

Fair!

Yeah, but will they be relevant?

He would have been the 3rd outside guy on the roster last year, if he comes in on a low cost deal, I’d be happy to have him back as a depth guy.

There has been 1 guy who’s been anywhere near good at 40. So that’s a nice dream, but JA probably has to the mid 30s w his style.

If they can’t get a long term deal done (and I don’t think they can/will), I think they will franchise and trade him. I don’t know who specifically the Bills will go after, but I’d like to see them go for Adams when NY releases him. 2 year 40M type of deal. Maybe longer in years and no guaranteed money to spread cap hit, but get that real alpha X, let Shakir run the middle and see what, if anything, you have in Coleman. Draft a burner..

Would you give up that for your stud #1 WR for the next 5 years on a rookie deal? Yeah, sit down. Because the DIDN’T make that trade, you have Coleman, Carter, Bishop and now don’t have a 3rd this coming year and STILL have a hole at WR a mile wide, so Beane will either spend that 2nd this year in one or blow another hole in the Cap to fill the hole he could have plugged with elite talent at a low cost. So tell me, would you really NOT trade Coleman, Bishop, Carter and this years 2nd for BTJ and this years 3rd? I would and it’s not close. They all produced NOTHING year one and BTJ is already a legit #1 WR.

If people really can read this list and go back and look at guys like Chris Ivory, who got gifted an oversized guaranteed contract and really think Beane is some sort of Wizard, y’all need to see better magicians.

Says you. They could have made a trade, others managed it. They did not. Beane wasted a third round pick on a mid season trade last year bc he failed to address the depth properly in the offseason at a key position and then couldn’t live without getting his pick back, which he promptly wasted on a rotational DT who plays the same position as a guy he just handed a 70M contract to. Beane does a lot of things well, drafting is absolutely not one of them. Had he not hit the jackpot on Allen, he’s working under Whaley in the XFL or whatever Sir Doug is up to these days.

Looks like a typical Beane draft, bunch of wasted picks in rounds 1-3 and then some above average picks on the back end. This ***** has got to come to an end.

If they were, that’s even worse.

If Elam were the single example, it wouldn’t be an issue. The fact is, he’s had a top 10 pick, wasted on Oliver, sorry, not sorry, but an average at best starter who’s completely useless without help. There’s the Basham incident, Kincaid being MIA this year sure doesn’t bode well. Coleman looking like he’s a #5 when there were other options a plenty isn’t helping.. the list goes on and the fact is, he’s whiffed multiple times on the talent evaluation of the positions he’s trying to force a pick on, which is compounding the fact he’s clearly NOT going BPA and is trying to force fill holes at the top of the draft.