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21 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:
This is a good thought - and thought provoking.
It makes you start thinking about what is the core philosophy of this Bills offense?
Greg Cosell has said that the Bills offense has no intermediate or deep pass game. I think that makes sense because the Bills have not invested in WR, and certainly haven't secured a deep threat since 2018 Robert Foster.
Joe Marino has consistently mentioned the zone rush scheme improving as the season moves along, and the analytics are pointing to the Bills offensive line continuously improving.
What is this scheme? Emphasis YAC by throwing short passes at the line of scrimmage, with blockers in place - Shakir and Samuel's targets come to mind, and isolated shot throws on the outside (thinking Coleman's 49-yarder against the Texans). Just remembering games as they play out, do not think the Bills get much over the middle.
I think we've all seen the Kincaid-Knox tandem doesn't ever work together, it's either one or the other. Is there even a "Kincaid route" that he normally runs?
Allen is running less.
Which leaves a heavier run scheme, 15% 6-lineman on the field, a team that doesn't play with much tempo (almost always running the play clock to 0.0).
What is the core philosophy?
I don’t think there is one to be real. They want to control the ball, milk the clock, which is completely opposite of what you SHOULD do with a 1st ballot HOF QB. They limit his number of opportunities to be great, which in some cases, can be good.. BUT…. They played with fire by not getting anyone who could stretch the field. I questioned it all off season, what’s to stop the D from clogging the middle, taking away the TEs, Shakir and making it harder to run. The only answer is short routes to the RBs in the flats and Allen making insane plays on the run where the deep spots come open.Now, when it comes down to moving the ball WHEN YOU HAVE TO, the struggle is real. It’s 100% on Allen to create something. Somehow, they wanted to lessen the burden on Allen and if you see it as taking away the number of time he throws, they have. BUT, they also took away any opportunity for him to easily move the ball when they need to.
6 minutes ago, RiotAct said:I mean, Colts and Cardinals alone get you to 9…. EDIT: err, sorry, 10.
Yes, it’s called hyperbole. How about this, the combined win percentage of the teams is below .500
6 minutes ago, PoundingDog said:Does it matter?
What is Chiefs core philosophy? How about just win? They used to score 50 points on people regularly. Now they barely eke out 17 points.
What is Brady's Patriots core philosophy? They started dink and donk, run the ball a little. When they got Randy Moss, they dunked 50 on people.
The point is you tweak your scheme to maximize the talent you have.
I think the question is, are they maximizing the talent? They have completely taken the ball out of the hands of 1st round pick Kincaid, high paid TE Knox, biggest FA acquisition Samuel, and have barely involved 1st pick this year in Keon and the new pro bowl WR Cooper. The only guys getting “maximized” are the RBs. -
2 hours ago, Dr. K said:
And yet the Bills are averaging 29 points per game, third in the league, and have gone 8-2 so far this season.
Yes, but the teams beaten have about 8 wins total. This is where stats don’t tell the whole story. The only contenders they played have beaten them and the offense was ATROCIOUS in both games. Let’s be really honest, the Colts game was way too close and that was with 5 turnovers, one going for a TD.
Remember the 10-0 Steelers that collapsed like a house of cards? Yeah, that’s what happens when your schedule is soft as a teddy early in the year. This team hasn’t beaten anyone that’s a legitimate contender and got curb stomped by the Ravens and didn’t do much better against the Texans. Hopefully that’s behind us, but let’s be honest, this team’s record is just as fluffed up as KC’s.
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17 hours ago, Bockeye said:
Agreed 100%!
Am I crazy, or was there a time when it would take most WR’s and TE’s at least 2-3 years to develop?
There was a time, but that time has passed. It also doesn’t help that Kincaid came in an immediately had a good season, now has disappeared. I don’t know exactly what the deal is, but SOMETHING is wrong in the big picture here. Since Brady took over, the most talented guys on offense have all had their roles diminished, to the point of lunacy. “Everybody eats” is all well and good, but when you have to have it, you have big dogs and they don’t get the ball. Kincaid is on pace for less catches, yards and TDs than his rookie year, Knox is all but invisible, Diggs fell off a cliff, now Samuel can’t find anything after being a 1000 yard guy, Shakir is performing, but it’s all YAC and he’s still going to struggle to break 1000, Coleman and Cooper have been merely situational guys thus far. Before anybody gets on the last sentence and goes off the deep end, I know Coop hasn’t been here long, but not being able to get a guy that’s been around that long more than 3 looks a game is silly.
I think the scheme is pretty sad honestly. The RBs have something, but JA’s effectiveness is down as are all the skill positions. I just don’t see it. They have been mauled by real competition thus far, this week will be really telling.
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21 hours ago, Ballhawk said:
Best Miami can hit is actually 11. At this point it seems like the Bills will be the first to clinch a playoff spot. What will be more interesting (to me), will be tracking the Chiefs to figure out how casually the Bills approach the end of the year (as it relates to the possibility of the #1 seed in the east). Everything starts this weekend, you lose this game and it wouldn't surprise me if the Bills took a rest and relax approach at the expense of the #2 seed.
That would be the wise play. Clinch the division, and then start resting guys. Health is going to determine if there is a shot in hell of making it deep into the playoffs. At the very least, I’d like to see the starters have the last week off, honestly wouldn’t mind seeing them sit for the second half of the week before the last game. -
I hope it’s the reason they have to go for it on 4th down, late in the game and Mahomes gets blown up, losing the game.
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18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
See you are doing it again... Benford is atypical of the late round corners McDermott has a history with. The only thing he has in common with Jackson and Wallace is he was picked on day 3. As a talent he isn't even comparable.
Umm no, take a look at Josh Norman. McD is making these guys look great, his system, as much as I don’t love it, is AMAZING at hiding DB flaws and making them look great. What has Tre White been since he left? How great was Douglas before he came? How is it working out for Wallace? Benford is good, he’s not the prodigy you guys want to make it seem he is. Paying him is less stupid than Oliver, but not by a lot.
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5 hours ago, RenoNVBillsfan said:
The ‘22 draft class may go down as one of the greatest ever in Bills history. Contracts for Bernard, Benford, Shakir and Cook, specifically. Really hard decisions for Beane to prioritize. You can’t pay them all, I suspect. Who would you prioritize?
Benford is the only one I would consider a priority at all. Love all of them, but you have to be real on what a team can pay. Benford plays a premium position, but also McD makes diamonds from coal all the time, so personally, I’m not breaking the bank on him. Bernard is a walking injury, he’s a baller, but availability trumps talent here. Shakir is my favorite player outside of JA, but you are looking at 20M for a sub 1000 yard guy, that’s a hard pass. Cook is a RB, a good one at that, but never pay one unless it’s an absolute freak like Henry or Barkley (and even he’s a question bc of injury), so Cook will be walking.
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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
His explosion and acceleraton is good. It isn't just size. And actually he is really good 1v1.
If he was as you describe him, I'd move him. But he isn't. So I'm paying him.
5 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:Slow is not a fact and is really a silly take. Dane Jackson is slow, Benford aint. Hes more athletic than Tre so you were against that contract? Heck which CB contracts do you like cause there arent many one on one lock down corners out there (everyone plays majority zone). what is a good return? The NFL GMs generally agree that a guy with these type of measurables and on the field performance is worth a fairly big second contract.
Agree McD has coached up a lot of guys, but they mostly dont have Benford's measurables so I would keep him. Dude is also super smart and is a dog. Hes truely a joy to watch and youre take of him being expendable is just funny.
We’ll agree to disagree, he’s very good, but he’s not an elite athlete. McD routinely takes late round corners and makes them look great, I’m not paying a guy 20M per, when his replacement will be next to free for 4 years.-
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7 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:
Those are some pretty good gifts. His agility is poor (though his 10 yard is great) but I think he more than makes up for that with his brain. Combine his processing and frame and you can see why hes successful. Dane was a 4.45 for reference. Ive only ever seen him get cooked once and that was when villanova played Penn State he got roasted by Dotson. Youd think if he wasnt athletic enough and was getting cooked he would miss more than 1 tackle in the past 24 games! Also he allows a sub 90 QB rating. Dude is a dog that keeps things in front of him while generating 8 FF and INT combined.
He’s got size, the rest is average to poor, he is a heck of a player, so it’s not impacting him too much. The fact of the matter is he’s slow, it’s ok in a zone scheme, because you should have people over the top. I would t pay him big money because he’s not a one on one lock down corner and athletes like him are available late in the draft all the time. I love the guy, but I wouldn’t drop big money on him. McD has coached up a ton of guys who have played well, left (here and Carolina) and haven’t been a shadow of themselves. For that reason, I’m moving him if I can get good return.
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47 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:
Anyone have Benford's stats from this past game? It seemed liked AD Mitchell was cooking him.
I think people need to be careful with DBs in a Mcdermott Defense. He can get production out of most. Lots of zone play. I wouldn't overpay any DB as long as we have Mcdermott. It's the one advantage we get with a defensive coach. Spend the money on offense.
32 minutes ago, MJS said:I think he'll get at least 20 million per year.
These two post summarize the situation. He’s good, not athletically gifted and can get cooked. I would try to trade him or take your comp pick because he’s going to get paid and I personally don’t think it’s worth it. McD makes nobody corners into “stars” and they ALL struggle without him.-
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My wife said it the minute it happened, “that’s going to be on Angry Runs!” I figured she was right, wasn’t sure he’d win it, but that was a nice run.
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I would never have picked the kid, he looked like a head case from the get go, now things aren’t going well and he’s melting. I know he has raw talent and all, but what in the world was all the hype for? He never really dominated in college, he shrunk on the big stage and didn’t play within the offense, he thrived making ***** up. Jayden Daniels was the exact opposite, the only question on him was really durability and look at him. He plays within the scheme, CAN run and is accurate, what more did they want in a QB? I’m happy for Daniels to not be a bear and not even a little surprised the hype has turned sour on Chicago.
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Expected to miss 3 catches and 28 yards on Sunday.
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Thought we were posting shirtless picks, maybe next time.
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46 minutes ago, peterpan said:
Before Carter was injured, it sure seemed like Ed was being outplayed by the rook
It didn’t seem that way, it was that way and Carter honestly hasn’t been great, he just showed up where he’s supposed to. Sorry not sorry, Oliver is who we thought he was. Shouldn’t have been the pick and shouldn’t have been rewarded for being mediocre. Without somebody dominating next to him, he’s a nobody.
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2 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:
What specific higher paid mediocre players are we talking about? Name names
Von Miller
Samuel
Jones
Knox
Bass
arguments to be made for:
Oliver - unless you need a magician, who’s great at disappearing.
Milano (based on availability)Brown - teaming with Schnoman for the most penalized tackles in the NFL
Diggs - paying him to not be here, doubly bad bc he beat you, then bowed out on the season before helping them beat other teams we needed beat.
Bonus points to 1st round picks who aren’t living up to their draft slots in Elam, Kincaid (sorry he’s not even on pace to match his rookie year and 3 catches a game is not worth a 1st), and again our Magic man, Eddy O.
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2 hours ago, Shortchaz said:
I’m “back peddling” because you’re trying to drag the argument into fantasy land. Doing the kind of myopic accounting you’re doing is what got us in the cap trouble we’re in. There’s no debate the team would be better with better players, that’s just not the only consideration.
So the team would be better with a better WR and the cap hit would be no issue, soooo. Maybe it’s the mismanagement of the cap on mediocre players that caused the problem they have now.
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22 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said:
Mental mistakes are off the chart brother. Watch the game. He wasn’t even aware a football was out near his feet. He consistently takes the wrong angle (see the JT big run) and he never helps out his corners in coverage leaving them on an island. Just because he’s a good tackler is not a good enough reason to keep him on the field over bishop and i totally get why Edwards was frustrated seeing this guy start over him every week
Im with you, he was so bad he was in the right spot for the fumble recovery, pure luck. I’m going to lose it if Edwards goes and plays well somewhere else this year.
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Something seems off here. He’s been ok and is relatively cheap even as a backup, unless it’s a locker room issue or he’s got off field crap going, this is odd. I would GUESS he clears waivers, he’s not a major difference maker, but he’d be welcome back here with all the injuries.
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10 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
I’m actually the opposite in terms of what conclusions I drew from the game. The offense at times was struggling because they didn’t have a go to WR.
Exactly, nothing was open, all day. The only big play was a busted play where JA found a chance to fling it to an empty zone on the run. The O sucked all day aside from a handful of great individual efforts. The scheme was not working. It was also not helpful that JA has been consistently coming up short on his throws the last 2 weeks. Not sure what that’s about, but something is slightly off, be it fundamentals or injury.
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1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:
I’m sure that Justin Jefferson’s 4 year 140 million dollar contract, with 110 guaranteed is more than you’re trying to make it seem. I think he was paid 38 million this year, before the “value goes up”.
Paying digs 31 million while he’s on another team is a good argument for not giving another wr a large contract.
We’re getting into the weeds here. My argument is that signing a wr to a huge contract might make business sense but it’s low value from a purely wins/loss, team building, football sense.
it’s all about cap space. You’re telling me, you’d rather have this group of WRs, plus Jefferson for 8.5M cap hit this year and 15.3 next year? Give me a break. Basically, Jefferson is taking the same space as Samuel. You’re back peddling because you don’t know the cap implications and you are dead wrong. Having a great WR like him would open up so much. Not only that, it would buy back your 3rd round pick from next year that’s burned on Cooper. -
KC’s luck will run out, just a question of when. They aren’t a dominant team, they are just getting a lot of good breaks and timely mistakes by opponents. I still think they are the favorites to win it all, but I’d bet they lose one if not 2 or 3 before the playoffs. I’m up in the air if I want the Bills to beat them or not, it’s great, but if we are locked in to a lower guaranteed seed and rest some guys going into the playoffs, I see that as better than fighting to the bitter end of the year with #1 seed delusion.
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15 hours ago, Shortchaz said:
If by “not that much different” you mean 60% more, then I guess it’s the same 🤷♂️.
We couldn’t afford diggs beyond this year but somehow we can take on Jefferson’s contract?
look, he’s a great, GREAT, player. We would be a worse team if we had him. Half a billion on a quarterback and one wr isn’t a recipe for team building.
Actually, Jefferson’s Cap hit this year is 8.5M this year and 15.3 next year and we are eating Diggs at 31M soooo… you’re clueless. Not only that, when he DOES move up in value it’s 39M and 42M, not that you ever let it get to that, bc you resign him, but worst case scenario, you have the best WR in football for what you are paying Diggs and any competent version of his replacement. So how ya feel about your statement now? -
6 minutes ago, Virgil said:
I really think that’s all we need. And when Cooper moves on, replace him with a burner.
I also do believe Hollins is integral to our system for what he does
Hollins = Gabe Davis, but he’s actually better than Davis.
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Sans Allen, who are the untouchable players moving forward?
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There is only one u touchable on the team and that’s Allen, everyone else is replaceable.