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I agree, mostly. Where I would not trade Shady because he's a difference maker when he's healthy and right now he is, I would dump Jones because I feel you are cutting somebody else who is just as good to make room for him and getting nothing back. I don't honestly think anybody would trade for him anyway, so its probably a non-issue. I'd take a pick if I could get it. There are guys on this roster right now that could pull 6th and 7th round choices and we are going to cut them, so get them and hope to package a handful of picks to move up for a more significant one. If you could take all your cuts and eventually move up to a 4th or 5th round pick, that's super valuable.

Cardale is NOT pushing Tyrod off the roster, flat out, not happening. Tyrod is probably the BEST backup in the entire league right now, Cardale is hoping to catch on with somebody. Believe it or not, a backup matters and if you are a coach, who are you going to put your faith in "we didn't come here to play school" or an accomplished vertern QB who has proven he can win games and not turn the ball over?

The guy is a MONSTER, I have my doubts how long he can hold up in the NFL for all thebreason stated above, he's super heavy for a guy that runs 4.4 and is expected to stop on a dime. I hope he turns out to be the beast ge could be, but i have my doubts.

I hope you are right on Shady, there's nothing to say he can't have a good year, his explosiveness looks to be back based on the limited time we saw him vs Carolina. If he's not asked to take 300 carries, then he shouldn't wear down nearly as bad. I have a feeling he's going to start every game he's healthy for and we will see 2 back sets where he's running routes or staying in to pass pro while Gore and Singletary get asked to pound it a little more. Get him in space, use him for what he's great at. In an ideal world, I see him with 60 catches and 150ish carries in the regular season. IF the playoffs happen, he should still be pretty fresh and healthy.

Well said. Shady is old for a scat back, has 6M on this year and was ineffective last year as well as hurt. He also hasn't shown the world anything this year, I wouldn't give anything for that. If he comes out on fire and my RB1 goes down on a contending team and Buffalo will let him go for a 4th or so, maybe I'll play ball before the trade deadline, but that's a whole lot of ifs. As for Zay, all you have to do is look at Juju to know where he should be in his career, he's not. He's going to be a journeyman WR at best, too bad, but thats the reality. There are FA guys who have done more out there, so absolutely no trade value.

If you could get somebody to gove up a 4th for Zay, I'd take it. My bet is neither guy can bring more than a 6th and thats why they are still here.

Because he's a mountain of a man and has great athletic abilities, we have TEs, but none that put the fear in to anyone. If he can turn into an Antonio Gates, I am sure we could find a place for him over the guys we have right now. Knox is the only one who is close to the athlete he is, I'd take a shot.

The Jets D might be better than I thought it could be.. Beasley and the TEs are going to have to go to work to win that game. Of course its also going to be a battle of what the QBs do too.

If he is willing and there's a spot open, I'd take him as a TE project for the year.

I don't see Johnson being waived, he isnt exactly where you want him in terms of weight, but that was known before you took him. He reminds me of Manny Lawson a bit. That's pretty big for late round guy. I would expect Yarborough to be released and them to keep Johnson on the roster as a back up to zo/de. He could fill what Zo does in the box, but there's no substitute for experience as a LB, so that's asking a lot. Also, I find it hard to believe Joseph will be let go, his colege career was very productive, he seems to be translating it well to the pros, with Milano's success, I cant imagine them ditching him after investing a pick in him and seeing good on field production.

Brown is the only WR on the team with half an argument to be considered at "#1", but hes more of a Peerless Price type or maybe Lee Evans, good but not truly great, can be shut down. He's obviously safe. Beasley is going to have a field day working the soft middle of the field. Jones hasn't shown *****. I was a huge fan of the pick, he's been a general bust in comparison to his draft position... might be time to consider moving on. Ray ray and Mckenzie are very similar, I see more production from McKenzie, I'd keep him. Duke Williams offers crazy physical attributes and looks to have hands, I dont know why we haven't seen him against better competitors nor heard anything about him from camp. I reserve judgement, but I'd like to see him get some starting reps. Foster, where ya been?! Has #1 measurables, put some numbers up late last year, but it could all be a fluke, watch for him to be traded if he's on the bubble, somebody will take a flyer on him. I'd keep him over Zay just purely out of showing promise in real action last year. Sills.. sorry, maybe PS Roberts is in, return ability can't be ignored and he can do a little work at WR. As of today, if it were my call, you keep Brown Beasley Roberts Foster After that, I'm evaluating Mckenzie (who is automatically in if Roberts weren't here) McCloud, Jones, Williams for 2 spots. Based on what I have seen, today thise spots would go to McKenzie and I'd take Williams, trade Zay. McCloud would be cut, he'll probably get a shot somewhere.

I did call a lot of it foolish when they were signed. I'm not going digging back through BBMB and the Range to find them, because I dont have anything to prove to you. My job is not knowing pro personnel and I didn't blow it, but Beane had a horrible reault in FA last year and you seem far more interested in ignorning that. For the record, I said they over paid by a lot for Ivory wjen he signed. I didn't like and still dont like the Murphy signing and thought Davis might be a decent stop gap. I wasn't one that hated the Darius trade, was a little surprised how the run D was after him leaving. Star was a signing I initially liked, when it was first reported as a 5 year 25M dollar deal, once it came out they paid almost as much as Dareus, I said then it was a horrible deal.

Except when you look at real dollars and then you are incorrect, but fight it anyway you want.. Dareues WAS an All Pro, which is why he was signed to a big time deal. Thats one a blind man can see. Chris Ivory hadn't been productive in years and they hand him 3m+ in guaranteed money, Murphy was hurt and took home 7m in his first season, Mccarron cost 2.1m for training camp, then got traded leaving zero experience in the qb room, STUPID and it burned them. Davis was signed to a 5M deal, only collected 2.1m, you got me on that one. Climb on the Beane pole all you want, he sucked last year.

What you forget was Dareus was an All Pro and the scrubs we are talking about from Beane aren't even top 100 players. That said: Morse if he can't play again. 20.4 M dead cap right now. McCarron, Davis ate 7.6M in cap space for nothing. Ivory took 3.2M last year Murphy took 7.87M last year So go ahead and tell me 4 sacks and 385 yards were worth 18.7M last season.. I'll wait.

Yeah, DW wasnt great. Beane has made some bad ones too, Morse was a really terrible signing it appears. He takes way too many risks on injured players and gives out a lot of guaranteed money to pretty mediocre players. Last year, McCarron, Murphy, Star, Ivory, Vonte Davis... pretty awful. Traded McCarron before the year starts, also a horrible move. Murphy was useless, Star got double what he's worth, Ivory they way over paid with no competition and Davis..c'mon man! I hope Morse makes a smart choice, he shouldn't risk his long term health for the game, but ultimately, its his call.

Oh boy, that is most likely his season *****, look at all the WRs who had one.

I'm with you, going to be interesting to see how the Lines hold up. If they can win in the trenches, they should be good to go.

In terms of talent for McD, I was refering to the fact he has brought in guys as coaches who have failed in their past NFL stints. Daboll is no exception, but given a QB its a different story, so lets see where that goes. I agree its on Beane to get the right players in here. I'd say he has done a pretty good job, but he needs somebody to slap him when he gets excited over nobodies like Chris Ivory and hands them exorbanent amounts of guaranteed money.

I want to see Oliver really make an impact. Wade needs more touches somehow, thats just fun to watch. Really want to see Foster and Zay show up. Would love to see Singletary get some open field, i want to know if this guy can really break one or if hes just too slow.

Ok, I agree, for years the Browns were just a shooting range for coaching careers, I assume that's what you mean. As for McD being in any danger, I highly doubt it, but if the D struggles, the record is bad and the time management doesn't improve, I don't think it's out of the question. We know Beane didn't choose him and the roster is supposed to be greatly improved. If they fall flat on their face AND the terrible in game decisions/ lack of in game adjustments continue ( he was better, but still bad last year), then I could see him hitting the hot seat. Let's not forget this is an offensive based league and McD doesn't offer anything in that department and thus far has not shown the ability to recruit top talent to run the show. I again reiterate, I think its highly unlikely, but if they fail, then its possible.

I have to disagree. There are only 32 NFL Head Coach Jobs, generally only bad teams have an opening. If you get the shot, you better take it. Hopefully, you go to a place with some talent and are able to draft a QB. Thinking out loud here, there may be openings with the Giants, Cowboys (probably not, but should be), depending on how things go, Atlanta, Washington, Denver, Sand Diego.. umm maybe Buffalo.., possibly New England in Billy hangs it up, Seattle.. who knows, but if you get a shot, you gotta go. You dont wanna be a Jim Bob Cooter who was red hot and then fell off the map.

I really thought this was going to be a "do you fire them" thread. I would not be shocked if the Offense does well and Daboll gets opportunities. However, I have been pretty adamant in my previous posts, this offense is not going ro be good without Josh Allen painting an S on his chest and going nuts. Unfortunately, the OL and WR positions have been greatly improved and still have low level starters at their core. TE is unproven at best and the RBs are antiques or unproven. If Daboll gets a good result, he deserves a shot at a HC position or at least a huge pay increase. Frazier should have been fired this off season, when you can't make the play calls as coordinator, you should go. He won't be hired away, but I wont be surprised if he's let go.

I'm actually not at all in disagreement with what you are saying, to stay organized, I'll tackle the numbers. 1) The defense has been shredded too much, gotta stop that to be elite, enough said. 2) I agree 9 wins was nice, but it was an overachievment and ultimately seemed more like a fluke to me than a deserving year of playoffs. From here down, please understand, I'm answering based on the OP, what's the discourse. 3) The media/national audience sees no swing and a miss in the draft before on a QB amd now taking a boom or bust guy, giving up a TON to do so. Easy to see why it's not a good look. 4) Why pay Shady so much and sign Gore and Yeldon prior to the draft, only to spend a high pick on a RB who is "too small and too slow" for the NFL. The gyys you named in your post, I would argue all have better measurables and therefore projections in the NFL. 5) If you are looking at draft value charts, they gave up far more value than they got back.. Nothing more, nothing less to this point. So in context of why does nobody else see the Bills as a decent team, I think it's relatively easy to see it. As Bills fans we see it in Rose colored glasses and assume the best, the rest of the world sees the surface facts. The Bills have sucked for 20 years and their decisions look slightly suspect.

It's not out of the realm of possibility for a guy to develop from the PS, but certainly the odds are against it. After watching Tyree, I have my doubts he will be in the league much longer. He's an athlete, but if he wants to stick, he may need to take up route running.

I think they are making a mistake not letting him get in real action. I won't be shocked if he coughs one up on a good hit. Hopefully, its beneficial to the Bills, he could absolutely run us over.