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Same principal, if you have two who people think are #1s, but neither are top 10 at their position, you don’t have a #1.

Neither one is a top WR, both just good. Great is reserved for those that actually are. As Parcels said, “if you have 2, you don’t have one” You are the one not getting it, the guy is a borderline #1 and you want to crown the Bills as making a great deal. He is An AVERAGE starter, not a star.

Sane people would be quick to point out Allen over threw WAY more targets that Cousins ever has or will. Hence, it would take far more targets for anyone to produce with Allen throwing. Also of note, if people would argue Diggs wasn’t the bonafide number one for his team, then WHY would you trade a 1st round pick for him? If Diggs was unhappy with his QB and his role in Minn, what makes anybody think it’s going to get better here? That HAS to be the biggest joke of all this. He was critical of a middle of the road, solid veteran QB on a winning team, playing in a dome. Now you put him with Allen, in the elements and in a situation where it’s going to be hard to repeat a winning record? Doesn’t look like a good move. also, his “reasonable” contract is still $5MM+ more per year than a rookie deal. He is not top 10, dude wasn’t a number 1 on his own team. What if he becomes Julio Jones? Check the chart, 4th next year is devalued a round. You don’t know what will happen in the draft and Diggs was a low pick, so how can your evaluation be a logical one?

Awful trade. Diggs is a good player, not a great one. The Bills gave up way too much to get another guy who is basically a slightly juiced up John Brown. Giving up a first was awful, the package is worth the 18th pick overall, I’m not at all impressed, looks like Beane got locked in and lost another trade.

Meh for a 4th I'd listen.

Love it, he can be a bell cow.

The fact their system is over burdened is real, that does not change the actual facts of the matter, please don't try to change the target of the conversation.

10,000 cases, 600 deaths, 58% of deaths were those over 80 yrs old and more than 2/3 of them with pre-existing issues. Just because you have a TINY sample size, does not mean you have facts. https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/comment/italy-coronavirus-outbreak/ 34,000 deaths in 2018-19 flu season in the US and you didn't panic. The mortality rate is high in the same classes of people, it mellows as it gets to the non compromised population, litterally EVERY YEAR. 32,000 people already dead from this flu season, guess what, no panic. Focusing on percentages in a small sample size is foolish.

Easy to point at the relationship with Pegs daughter, but he DID lead the TEs in receptions in 2018 and DID look pretty good as a receiver out there. Hes big, fast, can catch and ultimately was a project player all along. I would expect he gets cut if he doesn't show well, but for now, I have no issue with continuing to see if he has developed. He's the prototypical TE in todays game and you have little invested in him, worth a shot. Ideally Knox remembers to catch then run and continues to be TE1, steps up to the "Gronk" role ( obviously NOT expecting that level of dominance) and you hope Croom could be the mismatch nightmare like Hernandez was back in the day. If we got 80% of that production, this team is MILES better than last year. They have been trying to build the Patriots/Panthers here, great D, efficient O that can explode and most of all, confidence they can impose their will. The obvious missing parts are a QB like Brady, but JA did show flashes, the over the middle weapons to move the chains, the Red Zone giant and probably the most over looked part, that MUST CHANGE, a killer instinct, yeah I'm looking at you McDermott, step on throats, not the brake with a 13pt lead. So what they have done, who they signed and keep trying to develop makes sense, even if its not the guys I would neccesarily choose to do it with.

And just like the flu, the death rates starts high and settles down after the its spread outside of the nursing homes where it raises hell. Look af facts, not just the immediate paranoia. Literally every disease death % curve looks similar, high in the begining, as it spreads to millions ( flu every year), the percentage goes way down because it won't kill the healthy. There are even knowledgeable people believing chilren are virtually immune to Covid, meaning its LESS vicious than the flu. Take a small smalle size of anything and the rate can fluxuate vastly from reality. Example, take the Bills winning percentage of the last decade vs the winning percentage for 2 games a year vs the Patriots.. yeah the team already died in that scenario.

You really question if 1st round WRs with all the NFL measurables you can ask for and great hands are better than 4.7 /40, couldn't get on the field "Dropsies" Duke Williams? C'mon now.

Great call on Plax, I was trying to place it, thats a great comparison. He looks fast enough, has some pretty amazing body control and the hands are insane. He should have no problem finding a role in the NFL, but it might take a year before hes a big impact guy.

Easy big fella, just saying the point was made you can't always coach like you are afraid to lose and you happened to be the guy saying it was working. The problem is when you face real teams, they can score.

We could be best football friends. You are spot on. When Allen hit the last step of the drop and fired those 6 yard darts to Beasley or had the chance to run around and make a play, good things happen. The moment he had to sit and read the field, all hell broke loose. While I think Darnold is a better passer than Allen, he struggles with pressure and reads as well. I was a big fan of Darnold coming out and thought he would be doing more at this point, he has been a colossal disappointment thus far. That draft calss thatvwas supposed to be '84 or 04' reincarnated, looks like it may go down as the most dissapointing QB drafts in a long time. If I had to call it as I see it now: Mayfield : solid, never spectacular starter, probably will be replaced. Darnold : Jamis Winston without the crab legs? Allen: The struggling version of Cam Newton Rosen: out if the league after 4 years Jackson: less of a passer version of Mike Vick, hopefully no dog fights. Translation, none of the 1st round guys end up as your real franchise players. Where we disagree slightly, I think Darnold still has the best chance to become more, he just has to prove he can read a D. That can be learned, regardless of what people here try to convince me of, I have never seen a wildly innacurate QB ever change the first 21 years of their throwing mechanics in the the pros and suddenly become a great passer, so my hope for Allen is low.

Agreed.

This offense was as conservative as any, and you certainly didn't have them going out there looking to score once they had a lead, McDermott is conservative to a fault. It's not different.

The issue with what you are saying here is, the ball has to be 50/50 for recievers to have a chance to make that play, Josh has consistently thrown the ball where NO ONE can get to it. He missed by yards on many balls this year. He was let down by Duke Williams in the endzone last game, and Knox got hit in the hands way too many times, but his deep ball, which is where big plays come from, never got close to target until week 10. He consistently left 2-4 bigs plays on the field every week by not even being close and a lot of those were to WIDE OPEN receivers. Smoke should have had 1500 yards this year and been talked about as the break out player of the year, but Allen KILLED his numbers with awful balls. I'm not saying Allen can't get better, but the idea the WRs are the issue is WAY over blown. Remember when EJ " just needed weapons" as did Tyrod etc.. Watkins was handed 14M a year, Woods is a top 20 WR, Goodwin went on to have a really good year in SF. Theres only so much a WR can do, when the QB cant put it on them.

If this comparison is fair, why not look at the comparison of Mitch Turbisky in his second year vs Allen as fair? He out performed Allen in about every category, except for the digging yourself a first half hole to have to recover from, so there are less comebacks (most over rated "stat" people here love to talk about, btw.). Yet this year, when raw stats suggest he's still a better passer than Allen, it's understood he's a bust and Chicago will have to move on if they are going to get anywhere. Oh and he also lead 3 comebacks and had 3 GWD as well, so he's "clutch".

On 12/20/2019 at 12:02 PM, ScottLaw said: He's a good HC for sure....but he gets way too conservative at times.... such as the cluster ***** last two minutes of playing for the tie against Browns. The conservative strategy employed last week in the 4th won't work against the better teams and better QBs in the playoffs. Hopefully the approach changes in a close game against a Watson or Mahomes. Well that didn't age to well.

Poyer is a force, but that inherently leads to some missed tackles when he gets a little reckless. Really good, not great. I would love to have him back, but its not the end of the world if hes not. Looking at whats coming up: White Hyde Wallace ( even though im not a big fan) Replace Hughes, Shaq, and probably replace murphy, find a new 3 tech rotation player and hopefully get Star gone or add another 1 tech to rotate in ( maybe Harrison Phillips takes that spot), there's a lot to factor in. It will be interesting to see what the priorities are.

Not like he lit them up or anything, he just didn't screw up much, which is the formula for this year apparently.

But the extra capital was blown to trade up for Allen, along with flipping away your LT, so in reality, had you actually taken one of the 2 best QBs in the league right now, you wouldn't have Tre, but theres nothing that would have stopped a small trade back to get him. As it was, you used 2 first round picks, Cordy Glenn and another pick to come back up for Allen and that wouldn't have been needed had they made the right pick at the time. Both Maholmes and Watson are legitimate QBs and all Allen is way behind both of them, no saying he will ever get close to their level, so your argument is pretty awful.

You are thinking of Carpenter.

Agreed. Ok, just breath, its going to be ok.

This team isn't bulit on the draft much at all. Of the starters on O, Allen, Dawkins and Singletary are your only picks, Ford is starting, but out of injury, not performance, Knox is trending towards full time starter, so you can call him one. The D has Oliver, Lawson, Edmunds and White as the only real players who were drafted. So either side, its less than 50% from the draft. To be "built through the draft" the way they claim, draft picks have to actually contribute and not get replaced by FA siginings. Facts, lots of money to spend in FA, keeping this group together is plausible.