DCofNC

The fact he’s not vital means he’s not vital.

First and foremost, I clearly stated Beane has solidly whiffed on 1st through 3rd round picks, outside of Allen. So starting with your lists: 2018: Allen 1st Lack luster starter in Edmunds The others don’t fit, but Taron (5th)has been good. The All Pro G is on another team because Beane gave him away.. still want that? 2019: 1st Again no where near top 10 production 2nd bust 3rd Mediocre RB they have tried drafting 2 replacements for. Knox has developed - you win 2020: Didn’t draft Diggs. Traded for him, didn’t have to Actually project talent. 2nd round Bust. 3rd round Bust. 2021: I like Groot, but he’s a starter by name only, rotational player who started bc of lack of talent Beane signed to his position. May work out well, let’s see. 2nd round? 3rd Brown looks good so far. You named plenty of guys they could have chosen, even one at the same position, over Oliver.

Well said. I’m a little harsher on the decision to give Edmunds the 5th year guarantee and multiple head scratching FA signings with unnecessary guarantees. I think Beane, especially for a new GM has been solid, Allen has made him look like a God. Could not agree more on McD.

The Bills also thought Cody Ford, Zach Moss, etc were top prospects, let’s not get so up in Beane’s jock strap, we forget he’s missed a LOT on 1st-3rd round picks. They haven’t added a single starting caliber LB since Beane took over, continue to waste pick after pick on mediocre RBs, under sized “motor” guys and worst of all they are doing it in the first 3 rounds. The only pick they have nailed has been Allen, it covers up a lot. Brown looks good so maybe we give them 2 picks in their time they have hit on in the first 3 rounds of any draft. Before the fan boys get here, yes Oliver is solid, but no where near top 10 pick production in any category.

Nope, it’s about context. The Bills have nobody in the Lb group that can set an edge, unless you count Miller as an LB. All too light or high centered. There’s a difference between short and actually undersized. All those guys were just short, still built like a tree trunk. The difference in the Bills LBs is they are small. With the exception of Edmunds who is the classic, looks like Tarzan plays like Jane, they are all short and light and still not very fast, it’s basically a group of guys that weren’t fast enough to play SS.

I agree with what you are saying, I was simply responding to the fact we don’t see the same D scheme from Carolina where the MLB would set an edge and the others would run to the ball because Edmunds gets trucked every time he takes on a lineman. I agree, I don’t think that’s the D that’s been built here and I don’t think this D will be the right one for the future as the wave turns towards running again, but for now, it serves to slow down the pass.

The only thing he shares with Dalvin is a name.

Just a shame Beane is letting the coach make the team his good ole boy club. So many wasted picks this draft. Elam had better be a hit or this will go down as the worst draft ever under Beane. As for the D getting bigger with him in instead of Johnson, it sounds good, BUT you get slower and lose coverage ability, so unless the team you are playing goes to 2 WR, when is he getting on the field? He’s not taking the job of either of the LBs and he’s not a safety, so he’s not going on the field as an extra guy in pass coverage that can defend the run. He’s a tweener, he’ll likely suffer the same fate most of them do, be a ST player or cut.

Step one, have a LB who can actually set the edge, Edmunds gets tossed like a rag doll.

I’d agree with this. I think the depth of the roster is grossly overstated to be honest. The offense is good and the WRs have looked good because you have Allen covering flaws. If Diggs misses time, I think the O is in trouble. Maybe Davis is ready to step into the spot light, but we don’t know. He hasn’t taken the #1 role and proven it doesn’t matter who you put in him like Diggs has. I think there were quality guys that could have been taken in the second, frankly I thought they should have gone up a couple spots and secured McBryde as he was coming down the board. Knox is going to command big money next season and I would have been looking at a short term up grade, long term replacement scenario, the depth at TE is thin. There was line help available and LBs that made sense too. Reaching for a RB was not a good play. I don’t really agree Hall was the only one they could want, but I didn’t see any point in drafting Cook, you have the same skill set on the roster in Duke Williams and you saw the market value of it in McKissic, why spend a second on that? Totally agree on the throw away pick at OL, the guy has next to zero chance of making the practice squad, seemed like another complete waste. You should go BPA unless there is a glaring hole to fill with a player that’s nearly equal. They didn’t, they haven’t, and it’s hurt a lot. This regime has forced pick after pick for need, it needs to stop and people need to quit believing Beane is drafting BPA, he’s not. From his very first draft he has forced picks to fill holes, even Allen was a forced pick, obviously that was a great one, but then Edmunds to fill their LB scheme, to Ford, to Oliver etc. they have gone with intentions to fill holes, not just take the best talent, that’s how you end up missing great players.

You need to watch the crazy kicks Arazia has had, from the goal line the ball FLEW to the opposing 18. The kid can bomb it. I honestly don’t think Allen can throw it that far. That said, Bojo has a huge leg and is gone, JaMarcus Russle had a huge arm and was gone in no time, none of it matters unless it’s refined. The kid has a lot to prove just to take Haacks job.

That’s a 5th round pick, where you are taking fliers and looking for ST players, 3rd round picks are still top 100 players, you are looking for starters, completely different.

They don’t use WRs anyway, why waste a pick on one? This, all this. I think the Chiefs drafted some names and I think a couple of them Karlaftis specifically, will struggle to translate, but I get the love they have gotten, especially if those guys do find success I don’t project. Ravens killed it. The Jets really shined, but there are a couple there I wonder about translating to NFL too.

I think it’s based on what you came away with based on your available capital. The Bills look to have reached in at least the second and third rounds and gave up their 4th for a guy that most had as a borderline 1st round pick. To be clear, I have no problem with the first round pick or giving up the 4th to make sure they got their guy. I do think Cook was an obvious reach, even to them as they traded down TWICE, before picking him. I think they wanted McBride and completely panicked when he went 1 pick before them, no proof, just a hunch. He was a good pick at a position of high value, especially looking at next year, and what he could bring this year. Immediately, they traded down and down, to take a third round player in the late second and I still feel they over drafted him. Then there’s the real WTF pick of the draft in the third. Nothing in the 4th and from there on out, I view it as fliers on potential. They got great potential in the back half of the draft. Honestly, I think the draft sucked. I see exactly 1 player in the first 5 rounds that looks like a starter and that would hold for the whole draft, but there is a punter in there that has potential. To me, and I’m a nobody, this is the worst draft of the McBeane era. Anyway, long and short, you work with what you have and you need to maximize the players you can get. You get the best talent or you don’t. This is the first draft where I strongly believe they picked for needs instead of BPA. I get it, they needed a CB and I like Elam. Everything else, besides possibly Arizia was a need pick (yeah it’s still a need, but at least I can buy the BPA argument). This was more Buddy Nix than Beane to me. I have the Bills draft closer to the bottom 1/4 on this draft than the top half, but we shall see.

I think the back half of the Bills draft saved them on the ratings. No surprise the Jets got the top grade, they look to have crushed it. The Ravens and Chiefs also looked good. The best part is seeing the Pats dead ass last, which is not so Strange.

I still see White as the better player overall and would fill the same need, also drafted later. I think this was a reach and Beane knew it or he wouldn’t have traded down twice before doing it. Based on their track record, they do not deserve the benefit of the doubt on RB evaluation.

Yep, this is what I see, especially the Rachaad White comment. Don’t get this pick at all

His leg is insane and as an emergency place kicker, he’s a great option too. Really interesting player, but definitely has some work ahead of him to win the job. He will have to prove he can hold and he’s going to have to tweak his punts for hang time vs raw distance. No reason to believe he can’t do both, I just hope he can do it in time for cut downs. I’d hate to see another pick cut and snatched up elsewhere who goes on to perform well. Great risk/reward for a 6th.

I can guarantee you the Jets are coming away with one of the top draft grades and the Bills will get one of the worst and I can’t disagree with it thus far. Elam has a lot of potential and great measurables so I’m optimistic. Cook is not his brother, has some explosive traits, but goes down from a stiff breeze and WTF was the third round? On paper, I believe the Bills have the worst draft going so far. For a team that has “the most complete roster in the NFL”, why are you stacking 6th round picks, when you couldn’t protect your 5th rounders last year? Hopefully, they package them all and don’t make more than 3 more picks.

Way too slow for safety

Yeah.. I’m going to say it, Beane thinks he’s smarter than everyone else and history proves otherwise. Without Allen, McBeane is bagging groceries.

No impressed, hope I’m wrong.

He can hope to get a Mariota career out of his skill set and Mariota is far better overall. Hurts is awful, his only “production” as a passer is garbage time when D’s just role in a prevent because they are already blowing the iggles out.

Hurts is closer to Tebow that anybody, he’ll be a backup soon enough.

I could see them trying to do what Tenn did with Brown and trading the player for the pick to replace him. I like that move, replace a contract and in theory get better in the process.