Mikie2times

By all means, present your case

Wild Card Champs

another time, that’s fine

We are the NFL’s wild card champions. Marty would be jealous.

Eventually legendary has to actually mean legendary. It can't keep meaning legendary with conditions on why it wasn't actually legendary. I don't blame Josh for the loss, but your post is trash

Not to stand in the way of a "legendary performance" I mean, we did score seven 2nd half points.

Kidding, I remember debating with posters prior about McD @FireChans was dunking on that wild card win and dismissing Tomlin. @FireChans where you at bud? Did you get your 4 time AFC east champs tat on your lower back?

McDermott is good. We have a lot of threads the last few weeks that tells us that. Bla, Bla Bla........ Allen, best, Sean, best, choke, playoffs, worst, KC.... Figure out how to order the words, same old as always.

If you look at the collective body of work, Dorsey is ahead of Brady and take that back to Carolina and of course balance for Josh. Which means you do have to look at work prior to this year. We have won on close game variance post Dorsey. I believe at least some of that is based on Brady's influence, but the degree in which people feel Brady is outperforming Dorsey right now just isn't accurate. Dorsey won on every stat that exists outside of maybe winning %... I think we made the right decision for what we needed in that moment, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Dorsey performing really well with another team. He's very competitive and if learned and grew in just a few ways he would be elite.

Somebody upstream said Evans was a better Davis. What? I can't imagine what an elite big body would do for Josh. He's never had a good WR taller than 6'0

Lions have a path if the 49ers are knocked out. Still leaving my Lions vs Bills dream Super Bowl

Hello!

Pack lead the league in offensive EPA the last like 5 weeks. Love is playing well. If that defense plays like this, not surprised here.

The conversation is about rushing TD's not being an impactful as passing TD's. I went with Top 5 rushing TD's each year and that was not ok. So what method do you want use to say this QB's production is skewed more towards rushing than passing on average? Whatever arbitrary way you want to do this exercise will produce the exact same result.

This isn't that complicated Player A : 29 TD and 19 INT with 15 rushing TD Player B: 44 TD and 19 INT Player B wins everyday and twice on Sunday. It's not even a conversation. What is happening now? This is the top 10 total touchdown leaders at QB every year since 2019 and I can take this back as long as you want. Show me the Super Bowl winner who has a high % of his TD's from rushing? Every winner is under 10%. So yes, if I have the option of player A's output vs player B's, I'm going with the one that produced the Super Bowl winners every year in modern NFL history. I know, I'm crazy.

Mobility and escapability when not being converted into rushing output would benefit passing output. I'm just using what history exists in the league. What you say might end up being true eventually but why should you or anybody else be the one that determines it's true before it actually is?

I think a better question to ask is why do QB's who have above average rushing production not win the Super Bowl? My guess would be it's easier to take away the legs than the arm and if that is a big contributor to what you do it can really hurt productivity. Allen is probably as hybrid as we have seen but my argument was not that Allen can't do it, I hope to hell he can. It's that I don't value his rushing production the same as passing production. If it was done with his arm he would go into a statistical group that is responsible for every win in modern Super Bowl history. As it stands he's part of a group that can't win one. Hurts almost changed that. Allen has as good a chance as any.

When was the last time a QB won the Super Bowl with more than 10% of the total TD's coming on the ground regardless of how many TD's? They can have a thousand for all I care.

So you want to look at the data as a % TD's? Actually, lets say, top 10 total TD's on the year and among that 10, top 3 % of those TD's from rushing TD's. How do you think that will play out?

You're right. It's not debatable. Lamar and his 89 yards passing, who has largely sucked in the playoffs because a better team will just take away his legs and that will happen again. Which is what always happens. If running prowess could hold up in the postseason we would see at least a few examples of it raising the trophy. Again, who in the top 5 in rushing TD's at QB has gone onto to win the Super Bowl? Now look at who the Top 5 in passing TD's has. It's basically every season. Rushing TD's just don't mean as much.

We are talking about running TD's not holding the same value as passing TD's. Which you wanted to get into the immediate value of 6 points on, which I never was talking about. They don't predict success and almost have an inverse relationship with it. But people still want to talk about rushing TD's from the QB as if they are on the same level as passing TD's and if that's how you want to feel great. I don't agree and all the data clearly aligns to passing TD's being far more predictive of future success.

Because if I wanted to waste my time it would be incredibly easy to prove rushing TD's at the QB position have almost no relationship with future playoff success. The QB finishing in the top 5 in rushing TD's last won a Super Bowl when? Now look at passing TD's. What is Lamars playoff record? What QB that can run are you going to point out to me that has had playoff success? Hurts?

Lets see how this Texans game works out

It counts as 6 just the same, but it's more stressful for a defense to be threatened vertically. When we start seeing Super Bowl champions led by QB's who run scramble a lot I will change my mind.

I'm sure having to care for the run game at QB stretches the defense in uncomfortable ways but in my opinion the main power of a QB is to stretch the defense vertically by throwing the ball. I just don't view rushing touchdowns at QB in the same way as passing touchdowns. Which is fine if you want to debate that, I just don't see Allens value in the running game literally being double this year which his running TD's would indicate nor do I see the value of those TD's near on the level of passing TD's which most people on this forum now prescribe to. I also feel the offense has failed us in 3 of our 4 postseason losses. We can say the 2019 team didn't have talent or Allen hasn't had the tools or that the defense failed us which it most certainly did, but nobody uses qualifiers as time progresses. It's only a luxury afforded to die hard fans like yourself. Some die hard in Cuba is talking about how Marino really is the greatest of all time and Shula just never surrounded him with the right players. Meanwhile it's not even a conversation outside that group. Same thing with Josh. Nobody is debating who the best QB in December and January is that doesn't belong to this forum. It's not even being asked.