Mikie2times

I want to give you a thumbs down for fun, but couldn't agree more. Shakir is elite, but it's a very niche elite YAC skill set, perfect for screens. He's fairly pedestrian downfield or even getting open in the short and intermediary routes. Beasley was basically automatic over the middle of the field within 10 yards on those slants and in routes. He could always get open. The two players couldn't be any more different.

You wouldn't trade Franklin for Coleman straight up?

I'm not saying Franklin is a stud by any means when I say he is better than Coleman.

If by less catches, less yards, and less TD's you mean more, than you're correct. That's just this year, but since he was a 4th round pick and not a borderline 1st, he wasn't given a starting role. He can also stretch the field. Straight up he's better, has a brighter future, skillset, and was acquired for way less.

Nobody circles the roster like.......

This is what bothers me more than even the lack of first round investment. You have well known draft picks like Franklin and Horton who clearly have a skill set we don't as far being able to stretch the field and it wasn't even worth a late flyer.

Awful take. Can you imagine this place if every poster had skin so thin they had to call out somebody who gave them a thumbs down. If I had to guess it's probably pretty easy to see your veins.

Might as well be Tony Pepperoni

Which make me nervous about what is occurring on the other end

Very happy for a national TV game. They can be run on and we have a history of both disappointment, but also surprising performances. This team does well when nobody believes in them. Detroit, KC, Baltimore last year........I'm usually a pessimist, but I think we will silence some critics this week (and I have no sound football logic to back that up outside of we can run on them).

KC seems to be anointed again, perhaps rightfully so. With no clear leader of the pack in either division, you have to bank on scheme and high leverage plays winning the day. Yet here we are, the vibe being somewhat different at the moment. Our season is very, very, far from over but with great expectations come great disappointment, which is where a lot of fans seem to be coming from. I'm just trying to get a general read on the fan base with this poll. Understood I don't have every option covered, try and pick the one you feel is most accurate.

I went ahead and crossed off anybody who has never played in the NFL or has played and has sucked for at least 1 year+

I didn't like the idea of bringing Gabe back. But given the state of this WR core is he an upgrade? If he's healthy I don't think any question exists that he is. He has shown more in his career than Coleman has. He's a better vertical threat, better blocker, better sideline toe tapper. It's absolutely pathetic what this team has done at WR for it to come to this, but yes, Gabe Davis is upgrading the WR core and is most likely the best boundary WR on this team.

Great observation, I think this was partially why the pistol was invented. Sort of meets in the middle. Falcons run it more than anybody.

You should stop calling people out that thumbs down your posts. Sometimes people might not agree but they don’t want to get into a length discussion. Nor should they be required to do so.

Wagner is a guy I wanted to bring in forever ago, dude can still play

As much as I laugh at those predicting the Chiefs demise, Jones has lost a step this year and it matters.

It's over!

That's not my work, but good work still

Except when he hasn't developed any coaches. Babich could be, but......

I have worked with a lot of leaders in my career, many of which did not impact me and some impacted me negatively. I don't think it's fair to credit them for any of my success. If you asked Dabs or Brady, who is the most influential coach in your career at the professional level I would bet a few nickels that name is not going to be Sean McDermott. If your leader can't develop other leaders is that an issue or a different angle to consider in evaluating him? Dan Campbell has two coordinators as HC's. Kyle Shanahan has 2 and Robert Saleh. McVay has 4. Hell, even Todd Bowles has two. Sean has Daboll and Daboll doesn't even like Sean. So are we really linking them together?

I sort of feel that way, but I would really like to hear from some of his supporters. I have said before, I still think talent is a bigger barrier to success right now than coaching. But if the notion that one of all time winningest HC’s will never develop a future HC is laughable, how damning is that? It feels pretty damning from leadership perspective.

Some of the better leaders I have worked with have told me, you being an expert or great is not a sign that you’re doing your job well. How we perform when you aren’t there and how well you duplicate yourself with employees is. I think this logic clearly extends to coaches. To me it’s easier to validate who the very best are based on the number of future leaders and coaches they have been able to develop. Plenty of critical McD threads out there. I was hoping to focus this conversation on if anybody thinks McD will develop a coaching tree or has the capability of doing so, and if yes or no, how much does that matter in evaluating his success? Hypothetically, who would that tree consist of? I don’t consider Dabs, Frazier, or Brady as part of that tree. Does anybody here feel that is the case or could be in time? Maybe some influence? From my view this relevant as far as a different angle to evaluate his performance vs the standard stuff we hear on the board.