Mikie2times

Who is on your list as the best QB’s of all time? Maybe top 5….

He really doesn’t have a point and as far as I can tell yours is fairly limited as well. I have been here for over 20 years. I’m here to talk about the game and the Bills. This entire thread was supposed to be about Purdy, it then turned into a conversation about the prestige of two franchises. If some of that overlaps with our playoffs failures I really don’t know what to tell you. It happened. It was relevant to the conversation to discuss. I guess you can block me if all this annoys you so greatly.

Fresh take, since I’m willing to debate against my team when it makes sense I should just shut up and leave. Nice way to build a balanced community. I’m sorry I don’t fit in your little box. Sure, some of me feels like this is different. But then I remind myself that I said I would never judge this team or coach on the regular season again. Just been fooled hard way too much. I’m about as far toward the positive with this team as I can be right now. I didn’t think I would get here this season but I am, and it makes me very happy. We have just seen the rug pull way too frequently with this regime so I’m still going to argue the side of balanced perspective. Not that you aren’t, as I largely feel the same as your post, just in general. Further I’m not even sure KC is the main threat at this point. All these AFC contenders can really run the ball and play physical defense. Seems like a really bad year to be an undersized pursuit defense. I’m curious given we have been aligned on some of this stuff before, how do you evaluate this year if we get no deeper than the Divisional again? Is it then become same old Bills? If you want to DM me a response that’s fine. Simon is not happy with this thread and I don’t blame him. I didn’t see updates on Purdy today either in case somebody has heard something.

I remember that Houston playoff game as well in 91 or 92, he was something watch late in games

Nearly every team in the AFC playoffs is going to try and pound us and they’re very physical teams. They either can run or play defense in a way that can really steal your will to win. Teams like the Titans in the past and the Colts or the Bengals really got us off our game by just controlling the ball. We probably match up with KC better than most the others. I’m optimistic with how much our talent can gel and if we stay healthy because we really don’t know what that looks like. But to me this isn’t the year to be a pursuit defense in the AFC. I see no easy outs in any of the games.

We have the same DVOA as last year, which was the lowest DVOA we have had in the 2020’s. In 2022 in was 38.9 which was the best in football. EPA aligns with this as well.

They will come out with the best effort they have, no doubt. It’s basically a year ending game for them. But it’s not a really easy spot for them either. Purdy banged up and the injuries, east coast trip, then factor us off the bye, getting as healthy as we have been all season. We certainly haven’t seen our best yet. It will be exciting to see Coleman and Kincaid back with a with Copper getting more acclimated along with Milano playing for the first time in forever. Hell, we saw like what,2-3 games of Bernard and Milano? This is must see TV just seeing all our guys playing. It might be the healthiest we have been this late in the year in McD’s tenure. We should take care of business here.

Shocking a Roman led offense can’t get it done

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I put up a post on it, lets get the thread back on subject. It's off the rails. Purdy practiced today. He did multiple times last week as well. It doesn't mean he will play. His imaging tests are negative and they were last week and he still didn't play. They really don't know what the issue is.

He practiced today but who knows

Are we the only team that gets injured? Do you expect us to be at literal 100% health after 17 weeks? I don't know what stats show we exceeded expectations. We had a better EPA from 2020 to 2022 than we do this year in a singular season. From an EPA standpoint we ranked 3rd vs 2nd in that stretch and 5th vs 10th. We have historically underachieved against our EPA and we are ranked worse than we have been historically. Maybe the whole league has got worse. I responded to an off topic take and defended my position since.

We have beat KC more decisively in the regular season when they won Super Bowls. Even if this is finally the time we can see we have passed them, why do you think it's the time we have passed everybody else? We are 1-2 against playoff level AFC teams and we have maybe two wins in our entire run since Allen came on vs actual playoff caliber teams. We blew teams outs for several years and you saw the end result. I don't see how we have some smoking gun that we have finally solved out issues (news flash, it's not coming in the regular season anyway) The 49ers are a below average team this year. None of this conversation is about that.

We have one quality win that occurred on a 4th down play. I'm hopeful about our trajectory, but all the advanced stats don't align with your perspective. Nor does the eye test in my opinion. The trajectory is up, sure, but to think we are poised for more than previous years based on performance isn't accurate IMO.

That’s fine Gunner. I respect you as a poster but we are just looking at this different. I measure this team on how deep they get, period. At the end of the day I don’t really care what the circumstances are. Life tends to not care about the “variables” and when you introduce them it turns into a never ending hypothetical. Nobody cares that I overcame X or Y to get to the place I’m at. Life isn’t about these nuances. Have we been the better franchise excluding the playoffs? Sure. We have been more consistent. Our floor is higher but so far there ceiling is higher and I would rather this mo fo be cathedral ceilings with how I look at this. They just have gotten way deeper. We did the whole champions of the decade in the 90’s. Would I trade it for one 2010‘s Eagles or 1990’s Giants/Redskins style Super Bowl? Hell ya I would. We already had won the round as the team of the decade and it’s hard to top the 90’s with that designation. My outlook at this point is pure results. That, we don’t really have. I’m hopeful on this iteration. We will see how it goes. If we don’t make the conference championship at this point I will keep feeling as I do. We need to accomplish more outside the regular season and early playoffs.

Both are difficult match ups. Torn a bit. Lamar tends to shrink in the playoffs and you could say the Chargers are a team that historically comes unraveled but Harbaugh erases that image in my opinion. The playoffs will be difficult this year. No easy outs. We will need to be better, hopeful with how healthy the roster is getting.

This conversation is not about hope Bills brother, it’s about a declaration that we have accomplished more than a franchise that has gone further much more often. I actually am optimistic at this time. I didn’t think a chance existed that I would feel this way about this season. But I am and I will always bleed with this team like all of us do. My only argument is WE NEED to do it, just really tired of these hypotheticals and rationalizations that try and place us in a class that we just haven’t reached. Do it.

Just because I’m a Bills fan, doesn’t mean I cling to this notion that we have somehow arrived at where we need to be. We are in a virtually identical place as the last several years. All of which ended in a very abrupt way with expectations not even close to being met. Maybe it irks me a bit that so many are acting like we climbed that mountain when the reality is we still have a long way to go. Ultimately it’s probably just better leaving these opinions alone.

How many wins past the wild card round for us 1, for them 6, how many championship game appearances 4 to our 1. It’s not close really, unless regular season championships in horrible division is your thing. That weak conference they belong to produced a Super Bowl champion over this time. Our strong division did what again? You keep bringing up all this strong AFC competition but the fact is our accomplishment are on the back of a weakest division in football and our playoff wins are against scrubs and third rate players. They have accomplished so much more it’s not even comparable. Only to Bills fans.

Sorry I still champion logic vs fandom. Your choice if you want to use the land of hypotheticals vs what is actually happened. Yes or no, the 49ers have more high quality playoff wins than the Bills? Yes or no, the 49ers have more hardware than the Bills? Yet we have the more distinguished resume this decade. Again, only here results don't matter. We have accomplished the exact same as the Dallas Cowboys this decade. At least if you look at actual results.

These takes are reasonable. I only engaged in this thread because the insane cockiness of some posters is just really off putting. The regular season has never been this teams issue but I guess we can stamp our ticket now that we beat KC? It was always about the postseason and we have done very little in the postseason. Far less than the 49ers. We have no basis to claim we are more accomplished unless it’s regular season accomplishments and to just shift the whole argument to, well, the NFC is bad. I don’t really think that’s close. I don’t think we beat the Lions and Packers back to back last year. They have accomplished more than us. But really, it doesn’t matter. They won those games. We didn’t. Only the teams that lose come up with these rationalizations. The winning ones don’t have to.

Except we have never beaten a good team in the postseason and that includes more than KC. The team that we lost to outside KC lost to an NFC team in the Super Bowl. So I know it's really easy for you to assume we would just roll Baltimore last year or the Bengals after 13 seconds, but really, absolutely nothing in our history suggests that would happen. The 49ers beat two legitimate Super Bowl contenders last year to even get to the Super Bowl. They beat Rogers and a 13-3 Packers team the other time. But to you it's the equivalent of our wild card victories over 3rd string QB's. Let Buffalo actually earn it. You don't have to try and give it to them based on some massive hypothetical situation with so many assumptions it stops being logical.

They have two NFC championships. It sort of ends with that unless you're in a fantasy. I gave you real stats of what has happened in the playoffs. I gave you real results. You gave me theories and hypotheticals. Maybe this is the year we don't exit again prior to accomplishing nothing. Hope so.

I'm giving you the stats he has had in the playoffs vs both of us, which is about as one sided as it gets. They lead the Chiefs by more in both games than we ever have once. Keep plugging.

The beatdown of Phillip Rivers? You mean the game we allowed a playoff record in victory for first downs and yards gained? Then that Baltimore game in a wind tunnel. That singular divisional win we have in the McD era really gets your engine going huh?