Mikie2times

This is the first time since prior to 2020 a QB will finish with over a 65 QBR and not have a winning record (Burrow) these other QB’s you list aren’t even in this conversation. Roger’s missing the playoffs like once when he wasn’t 100 years ole? Lawerence is talked about on these forums as a bust. Herbert and Kyler Murray? 🤣. These guys aren’t MVP’s. Allen is what has given McD this consistency. Not enough Andy Daltons in the world to let Sean in the playoffs this much without A) an MVP that lets his defense front run and B)a very poor division.

I could actually see it, but McD’s ceiling is still the divisional round and Shannon’s would be Super Bowl all day

2018 they didn’t make the playoffs in the regular season match up. 2022 they went 3-4 before that game, then went on to win out until the Super bowl. 2024 they won’t be a playoff team. Two match ups when the don’t even make the playoffs and two with Jimmy G. But who cares about context. It just forces you to think. Not that any of that speaks to the false assumption that KC is the only team we can’t beat. They weren’t even a playoff team two of those years and two other a guy who isn’t even a starting NFL QB now was the starter for them.

And I’m pretty sure last years Ravens. They got significantly better without Roman. Probably last years Texans as well.

The only reason they have been to a Super Bowl and we haven't is they don't play Kansas City in the playoffs. So I've been told.

15-3 with Mahomes, 3 Super Bowls, 4 conference championships 11-13 without Mahomes, 1 conference championship QB means nothing as most say on here

Anybody who watched Howard at Kansas State knew the Buckeyes were not getting elite talent. He was largely protected in that system with a heavy dose of the run and he still was very turnover prone.

I noticed the Guardian Cap timing as well. He seems to be playing like he might play again tomorrow, which is good to see.

Didn't he call him his lil Daborino?

It's really not that simple. His biggest supporters want to make it that simple but the reality is the Colts and Bengals had offensive performances vs us in the playoffs that would have been among the best the entire season. Not playoffs, the entire season. Same goes for those Chiefs, again in the context of the whole year, the playoffs vs us was near the very best. That's not an opinion either, its all in the EPA of those performances. So is it just injuries and the Chiefs when it stretches multiple years, multiple teams? I don't think that's likely. I believe it's a schematic issue. As our ability to to perform worse in the playoffs in DVOA vs regular season is indeed a historic combination. What those defensive playoff performances coincide with is a lot of yards being given up on the ground. Which is fine in the regular season when you have a lead most of the year. Teams just keep throwing into our strength and most don't have very good QB's doing so. It's not as fine in the playoffs when QB's with 3rd and short will kill you and running games are capable of being methodical. Did the Baltimore game not take on the exact image I just described? We will see in the postseason. I think we are at much greater risk than people seem to think.

I noticed that. I was a bit surprised to be honest. I thought he had a lifetime pass with Terry. I still think he has a lot of time, but my takeaway from that statement was Super Bowls, not division titles.

Since 2020, 21 QB's have had a QBR of over 65 and 21 times that team has finished with a winning record. Including Josh Allen, every single season. Really sure its that much of a team game chief? Burrow will likely be the only exception to that this year, so I guess 21-1 is enough to form an opinion for some people 🤣

Try having an actual contender do it when you can’t play with a lead

182 yards to the Chiefs in 2021 172 yards to the Bengals in 2022 146 to the Chiefs in 2023 I didn’t include 2020 in that statement on our losses, but why not go for the gusto…. 2020 Colts 163 Ravens 150 Chiefs yes, my confirmation my bias 😂 113. So the run game isn’t an issue you say? You think this is all about KC? And your takeaway is to call out the 113 yards from 2020 and not acknowledge nearly every team we have faced in the postseason who has beat us has done so on a literal top 3 offense dive performance on the entire year! You really can’t make this stuff up.

They don’t tell you what the final score is based on rushing yards but we are 7-13 the last 3 years when we allow 140 or more yards rushing and 100% of our playoff losses are in that sample.

Colts had the 3rd best offensive game all season in EPA vs us in the playoffs in 2020. Chiefs had the best game all season. Chiefs had the 3rd best game in EPA all season the following year vs us in 2021. Bengals had the 3rd best game in EPA all season the following year vs us in 2022. Chiefs had the 6th best game in EPA last year vs us. I know people want to put his in a nice little package with the KC dynasty and injuries but it doesn’t fit. This was top 5 DVOA defense all these years and they got completely gutted by three separate teams in three separate years nearly as bad a those teams gutted anybody the entire season. These performances are coming along side season leading rushing outputs by those offenses and you expect that will change? That is playoff football. Running the ball. And what can’t we do effectively when we can’t front run a team? Play run defense. That is why this team can’t win in the playoffs. The system works when you’re playing with a lead. It doesn’t when it’s a neutral script or worse when it’s neutral against power.

I would argue that Pederson had a better singular coaching year than any year McD ever had. He won a Super Bowl with a back up quarterback throwing haymakers the entire way. Could Sean have done that? I would say absolutely not. No way in hell. Now could Pederson ever win in the ways Sean has? With that incredible consistency? No way. But the lifetime achievement award is not something I get to celebrate. Further and again sort of the heart of the issue, you see his constant attempts and failures as a sign it will happen soon, I see them as more evidence it won’t. When statistically unlikely things start occurring in football in some instances I expect it will correct, but others I just don’t believe we fully understand why it’s occurring and it just keeps doing so. That is what I believe we have going on.

Plenty of coaches lack the discipline to have sustained success. That is certainly not Sean. But at the same time a whole bunch of qualities like ingenuity, poise under pressure, and creativity allow you to finish first. I’m not sure that is Sean either. You’re hitting at the heart of this. Your definition of success is not the same as others. As is the case of many here. Doug Peterson is the anti Sean you could argue he showed those other qualities at a Super Bowl level the year he won. Can Sean do that? Doug could never build something that lasts, but can Sean Captain the ship thru the storm as he did that year? I don’t know.

I mean, the history of our game surrounds checking that Box. Bud Grant was a hell of a coach. But Christ, 50 years later people barely even remember Minnesota went to 4 Super Bowls in that era. You think anybody is going to remember this run unless that box is checked?

That's really not true as it relates to me. But people generalize. It's the internet.

Perhaps, but most of them would be pretty damn quiet for a long time (at least the next season). As somebody that defends this position a decent amount I wouldn't have much to stand on if he had a Super Bowl. Nor would I care to do so. I would be too damn happy at that point.

The only coaches in the Super Bowl era who are .600 or better and have not won a conference championship game are McD, Lafluer, and Marty. We can talk about injuries, and KC, and how reaching the playoffs every year will really help, but he's in historically rare company for regular season success vs post season ineptitude. That will have to change. Plenty of evidence to suggest it won't and plenty to suggest it should. Plenty of threads covering those topics as well. I wasn't wanting this to become one where it gets debated again. We know what it is. People seem to be ready to crown the man after this year and rightfully so if you can glean something from regular season success. I was curious if many still held the opinion that it's playoff success or bust and it seems to still be the case with a decent amount. In fact it really doesn't seem to have changed it all.

I'm with you. Everybody on here should be thankful for everything Sean has given us. Any disagreement is a sign of irrational nonsense and most likely an unholy upbringing. You think we aren't enjoying it?

I meant our talent level. How many of those guys could get as far as we have with Josh Allen at QB? Probably a lot. It's not like we have this incredibly high ceiling to aspire to reach unless your ceiling is built on division titles and consistency. I feel like our success is more based on Allen than McD but as I said that is a point that could be debated forever and I really don't want to take it down that path. Well, we have seven other ones available if this one isn't your thing