Mikie2times

So you’re not impressed with the play calling of Detroit? It’s just a good offensive line?

Fielding 9 players does seem a bit excessive with those odds

No reason to think vs better teams with our history so far

It was never as good as some made it out to be and it’s not as bad now. The point of this thread is we have been here for several years now and it was as if the last 3 years just erased itself with another promising regular season start. Beat the Chiefs? Well, we have also done that each of those years. Super Bowl favorites? Yup, we have done that before as well. As others have pointed out, it takes 4 straight wins in the playoffs to win a Super Bowl if you don’t get the bye. How is this team capable of 3 closely contested games against KC, Baltimore, Houston, Pittsburgh, Chargers, and Denver? All anybody says is KC, but think about 3 straight wins vs that group? KC is only one of them. Our team, in the history of the McD era, has nothing to show it’s capable of that type of stretch. In many ways we are just looking for one singular win against a non wild card contender in the playoffs. But….But….But….Baltimore with Greg Roman in a wind tunnel?!!! That is what we have. Our greatest win after 5 consecutive divisional titles. One divisional playoff win. Then early exit after early exit justified by the greatness of a player that everybody on this forum says is not as great as our QB. Year after year, we underperform our advanced rankings. Then watch as our defense get completely outclassed. If you point it out you’re a “McD” hater. Whatever the hell that means. Anti Bills, not an actual fan, far worse if you ask a few in this thread. Read this thread and you will find it all. Maybe most of us are just tired of the regular season championships. The defensive collapses. The late game mismanagement. It’s non stop and never ending, masked by divisional titles against 3rd tier teams and a hall of fame QB cleaning up the bulk of it all. Perhaps the most hilarious take in this thread is Sean developed Allen. I guess we can just give the HC credit for QB success even if he has zero history coaching any offensive skill positions. I’m sure it was McD going over Josh’s footwork, mechanics, and reads as a younger player grilling him to be more like the players he’s never coached before.

In fairness to McD I wasn’t going to crown him for the regular season thus far nor burn him for it. Playoffs are what matters to me.

It’s a hype train, we will be fine, but a Super Bowl favorite? Let’s win a game vs a top 5 seed before we say that.

The counter to the “run defense doesn’t matter” threads all week. It all lives in the middle

I like what Knox has been doing to be honest. He’s more multiple on run and pass downs and seems to give some flexibility there . Not that I don’t like what Kincaid can do but he’s more of an additional WR than a guy we can pound the ball with. It’s weird how certain groupings just perform better or provide better consistency even if they don’t have who you might think are the best players, but that’s football.

Colts win, Colts had 3rd best performance of the season offensively on EPA, as did the Chiefs that same year, Bengals the following year 3rd again, then Kansas City was 6th last year. In only one of those games we yielded less than 140 yards rushing. So in victory or defeat when we face an actual non back up QB in the playoffs we have allowed one of the best performances of the entire season to that offense in nearly every game. We have the worst EPA of any team in the playoffs in the 2020’s divisional round or later. All of this data includes multiple teams. Multiple years. It’s not just the Chiefs as so many point out. It includes defenses Sean has fielded with far better stats than this year’s iteration. So this year when we allow 140+ rushing again and we actually have to play defense against a QB with a pulse, when we can’t just leverage our lead to force teams into passing downs with below average QB’s, this will be the year it’s different? Please come back to this post at the end of the year. I beg you. If I’m wrong I will publicly shame myself all over these part and GD do I hope I’m wrong. But I’m dumb confident in this position. This is a front running system designed to snowball teams when they’re down. It works even better with verse league average QB’s. But it completely falls apart when the script is neutral and the talent level of the opposing QB is higher and teams make a point to play physical football. Our only chance is Allen putting this thing on his back in a way that we still haven’t seen and he’s already done that a pretty good amount thus far. Which has nothing to do with our head coach.

It was meaningful in the context of evaluating regular season just looking at where the data breaks. Not a lot of qualifiers per year. So at that level you have a really good season. On a per game level, I would have no idea what that looks like.

I mean Jimmy G was 38-17 and he only was over a 65 for one season when he played in 5 games. Purdy was over that number the last two years and he will end up very close this season but is currently under it.

So since 2020 when he has got the 65+QBR he's 58-20 but just two games over .500 without it.

How could anybody criticize him for what he has done in the regular season or not be impressed with what we have done this year? If that doesn't equal literally zero, it's not my fault people can be unreasonable. The playoffs are an entirely different story.

We weren't actually favorites to win the division, but again, that's oddsmakers fault. As I said upthread, 65+ QBR seasons have resulted in 21 consecutive winning records and a winning% of over 70% in the regular season. Burrow will break that trend this year with an all time bad defensive performance. But Josh has been above that threshold every season he has played. To think in this division the absolute floor is not the playoffs is seriously moving the goal posts or just not understanding what we have.

But that's not the case. As I said upthread, I don't think our playoff results are random. I don't think his system can hold up in the playoffs. It's designed for having a lead. It has serious weaknesses in playoff football where running games are better and QB's are more efficient. The data strongly supports our defense being an extreme negative outlier vs regulars season performance when just base average probably gets us to the Super Bowl. It's not just KC, again, discussed upthread, It also doesn't have to be winning a Super Bowl to me. Why don't we start by playing good defense against an NFL level QB? By my account the only time that has occurred in the playoffs is when we had a wind tunnel vs Lamar. It has 100% been about the postseason to me from the start of this year and last year. If other people thought we couldn't get to the playoffs with Josh Allen, they have an issue, not me. With a HF QB.....

He is seems like a great leader and has done an incredible job this year. He's one of the most successful coaches in NFL history in the regular season. At least from my perspective any issues I have with him are in the postseason. From what I can tell most people on here feel similar. They don't think we can get it done in the postseason with him for various reasons. I don't know how you could knock what he's been able to do in the regular season. Even if your opinion is Allen is pulling more weight most great coaches have great QB's as well.

I would imagine literally zero posters on this forum didn't trust him in the regular season. Lets celebrate the crow eating over a Super Bowl or hell, getting to one, or hell getting to a conference championship game. Not regular season success.

If you can't understand why some of us don't like what has evolved and can only summarize it as being a hater, I really don't know what to tell you. We have had a lot of success in this franchises history in similar ways to what we have now without having ever won a Super Bowl. On the front page alone we have tons of threads dedicated to Sean being discussed for coach of the year and talking about the Super Bowl. Focus your attention on those if you don't like opposing views.

Can somebody else have an opposing view than you and not be a hater, little kid, no life experience, irrational, bizarre, ignorant, and you expect to have this turn into an intelligent conversation? Wow. Sounds good.

The point isn’t that complicated. Jimmy G is playing against one of the best of all time in most that sample. You’re absolutely off your meds if you think McD is taking Jimmy G and Brock Purdy to the playoffs 7 of 8 seasons.

They’re beatable. Goff can look borderline incompetent at times. Can we pressure him? Will we be prepared to defend the run on 3rd and 6? Can we do all this and not over pursue as you know they will be screen heavy? Can we try and force some 3 and outs and not live in bend but don’t break? They have played a lot of cupcakes and they can really make those teams look bad, but really, just about any team worth a salt has taken them to the wire. This will be a 50/50 game. In fact, match up wise, the Eagles are even more physical. Even worse for us. Ultimately I also think they will represent the NFC and not the darling Lions.

Cute, like Lions coaching inside his 30

This is the first time since prior to 2020 a QB will finish with over a 65 QBR and not have a winning record (Burrow) these other QB’s you list aren’t even in this conversation. Roger’s missing the playoffs like once when he wasn’t 100 years ole? Lawerence is talked about on these forums as a bust. Herbert and Kyler Murray? 🤣. These guys aren’t MVP’s. Allen is what has given McD this consistency. Not enough Andy Daltons in the world to let Sean in the playoffs this much without A) an MVP that lets his defense front run and B)a very poor division.

I could actually see it, but McD’s ceiling is still the divisional round and Shannon’s would be Super Bowl all day

2018 they didn’t make the playoffs in the regular season match up. 2022 they went 3-4 before that game, then went on to win out until the Super bowl. 2024 they won’t be a playoff team. Two match ups when the don’t even make the playoffs and two with Jimmy G. But who cares about context. It just forces you to think. Not that any of that speaks to the false assumption that KC is the only team we can’t beat. They weren’t even a playoff team two of those years and two other a guy who isn’t even a starting NFL QB now was the starter for them.