Mikie2times

Nice job twisting my words. I said he probably runs the NFL version of a 4.5, which in REALITY is a 4.7. The times are skewed to begin with and I presented more then enough evidence to prove that. You can either take the name of this competition literally and conclude that Moorman really is one of the fastest players in the NFL, or you can see this competition for what it really is, entertainment. If this competition was really about being the fastest in the league the you would expect at least a couple repeat contestants, or players who posted faster combines then 4.56 or a 4.48. Luckily for us we will be able to put this debate to rest on Saturday. Bob Sanders is right in line with NC and TM, and Mathis is faster. If you really are correct Moorman will be able to keep up with Sanders and be in the ballpark of Mathis. If he's around a high 4.4 to a low 4.5 he will be in line with Tyree and Milligan.

Other combine times of players in the competition Jerome Mathis- 4.26 Bob Sanders- 4.36 David Tyree- 4.56 Hanik Milligan- 4.48

He still doesn't run a 4.2 or 4.3. We will see how he does this weekend, I bet he doesn't fair to well but it's still very impressive that he was asked to go as a punter. I wonder how they select the competitors; perhaps some spots are filled from the pro bowl roster and some from invitations. It just doesn't seem to have any consistency. For example last year’s winner and several other competitors are not in this year. So I wouldn't necessarily say the winner is the fastest player in the NFL, but Mathis has to be pretty close. By the way Mathis ran a 4.26 at the combine, which was the type of speed you suggested Moorman has. I guess we will see Saturday.......

Note to self: dont draft kevin jones next year

He probably has lost a step, but as fans we really have no way of knowing how much of that is TV and how much of that was the system and personnel. TV was used in way's most FS in the NFL aren't accustomed to, and TV was lost. He's good at playing in normal zones, and man coverage, yet we asked him to play large zones to cover space left by blitzing defenders. He's bad at playing near the line of scrimmage and in run support yet we ask him to do those things because our interior line is cheese. If we can get some help with FA's and the Draft I really think TV has a chance to have a much better year in Jaurons scheme. Even if you disagree with that wouldn't it still be worth finding out at that cost of 200,000$? That is the amount of cap relief cutting Vincent will bring for next seasons.

When you talk about systems it's important to look at how the different positions can influence each others play. On Passing downs Grey's defensive success was predicated on forcing rash decisions by the QB. Without dominating pass rushers on the defensive line we were forced to blitz. As we saw time and time again the blitz wouldn't arrive and our DB's were left exposed. On Rushing downs Grey's defensive success was predicated on our interior lineman tie up blockers. Since we couldn't do that the blockers our DT's were supposed to be taking up got to our LB's. The solution was either excessive run blitzing, or stacking our safeties in the box. One poster in this thread said new systems don’t turn over the hill players into pro bowlers. I agree with that assessment, and Jauron’s system will not make TV a pro bowl player. But isn’t it more logical to assume MaGee, Clements, Milloy, and Vincnt have more talent then they displayed in 2005, when at least 3 of the 4 showed a decline in play? It wasn’t a coincidence the secondary play declined rapidly as the defensive problems compounded. When we signed TV the plan wasn’t to switch him over to a brand new position and then expect him to flourish when we ask him to do more then 80% of the FS in this league. We asked TV to cover ground his body wouldn’t allow him to cover, then we asked him to play a much bigger role in run support then he has at any point in his career. Like many players on this defense TV a classic example of coaches forcing a system on players that no longer fit that system. I wouldn’t be opposed to grooming a replacement but when we have so many other holes I just don't see why cutting TV is a priority. Not when his salary is only 200,000 less then the Dead cap hit would be and when were switching over to a defense better suited for his play.

Basically all we can do Is speculate on what’s going on because I doubt Tags is going to announce they fix games anytime soon. My school of thought is this. Think back to the Patriots/Colts playoff game in Foxboro a couple years back. To every lucid observer the Colts WR's and TE's were getting mugged all game. This severely hampered Indianapolis and its vaunted passing offense. It doesn't take a conspiracy theorist to rationalize a loose called game on the DB's would really benefit NE. Today we saw Seattle get called for crucial penalties right as they were hovering around the red zone. Perhaps the NFL pushed the refs into calling holding on Seattle in those situations. That would not only push them out of scoring range but also put them in blitzing situations. Both those games were examples of games in which the referees seemed to play an outcome in the final score, but at the same time the game was still competitive. This is the best result, because it is the one that is also the least obvious to the general fan base. The extreme logic of some kind of script is not true, and that’s not what I’m suggesting, the Colts and Seattle could have both won. But when faced against an already elite team in a difficult situation, the timing of calls can really turn games. If these teams could overcame the calls they can win, but in the end that proves very difficult. Pittsburgh wore the glass slipper this year just like New England did in the past. Both were great teams, but both also benefited from a lot of officiating disparities along the way. It's not that crazy of a theory that some of this might be going on, after all NE and PITT are better to the growth of the league as champions then CAR and SEA.

I agree. Think about how much the NFL can influence a game by instructing the officials to call it a certain way. Each team relies on certain aspects and schemes and by being stricter in areas could handcuff teams. Then you have times like today when the sheer amount of bad calls favor one side so much that you’re left scratching your head. NFL officiating is a mess, and if I wasn't such a die hard Bills fan I would have no problem getting my football fix from college. IMO college football is a much more entertaining and natural display of football then the NFL by a long shot.

I meant that we see them do it often, but ya that doesn't suprise me.

Thanks man. My favorite call was cutting on Hasselback. How often do we see a QB throw a pick in this league and go low to avoid a big block or make a tackle? This penalty never gets called, and this was the first time I have ever seen it called on a QB. So to even call it if it occurred is bogus, but they called it when it didn’t occur, and did it almost immediately following the bogus nullification of Stevens catch to the 1.

The Steelers didn't exactly do much to win the game either. The 21 points they had were accumulated on a questionable QB sneak set up by a desperation bomb, a 75 yard TD run, and a 48 yard reverse pass. They were also ourtgained by 57 yards. Seattle did melt down at times, but without the referee interference odds are they would have been able to overcome those meltdowns. As we all should know the SB only allows for so many momentum shifts before one team just dies out, and it seemed like every call was made at a time when Seattle was gaining mo. Call holding on Ben's long pass in the first half, or on the Randel EL TD pass, and you probably have a different outcome in the game. Seattle didn't have to overcome just one of those calls though; they had to overcome 2 which would either have been a 7, 10, or 14 point difference in their score. Seattle was the better team and deserved to win.

The dude couldn't crap diarrhea if he wanted to

Stevens was looking like Jackie Smith

These three calls all took Seattle out of favorable TD/FG situations. The first one looked like a hold to me, but even if you exclude that the other two calls meant the difference in this game. Wipe off the bogus interference call and Seattle only needs a TD that last drive. Wipe out both that call and the bogus hold on the Stevens catch and they're either winning or a FG away that last drive. Not only did it remove points from the board, but it set up situations taylor made for the Pittsburgh defense. 3-6-PIT41 (6:24) M.Hasselbeck pass to D.Jackson to PIT 23 for 18 yards (T.Carter). PENALTY on SEA-C.Gray, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 41 - No Play. Result= Punt 1-10-PIT16 (2:08) M.Hasselbeck pass to D.Jackson for 16 yards, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. PENALTY on SEA-D.Jackson, Offensive Pass Interference, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 16 - No Play. Result= FG 1-10-PIT19 (12:35) M.Hasselbeck pass to J.Stevens to PIT 1 for 18 yards (C.Hope; T.Polamalu). PENALTY on SEA-S.Locklear, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at PIT 19 - No Play. Result= INT

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Look at the basement and the type of picture it is (posing). That's why it looks like he's in college to me. A couple pages back a poster pointed out that it was at a Miami OH party on campus, it was just a couple week ago after the Colts game, Not when Big Ben went to Miami OH.

That's what I thought Big Ben has college written all over him in those pics.

Motown is a POS, and the women for the most part are obese or nearing it. If this picture was actually taken this week, then no way is this picture in Detroit. Clearly Ben must know that being in a Detroit basement past dark for a normal person is a near death sentence, let alone a multi millionaire. It just doesn't make sense. If anything he is partying in the suburbs outside Detroit, which would make sense considering many players and coaches rented out homes in that area...and yes those women are very very hot.

So if we had the money to do both, or put a little extra into the line and cut Moulds which would you rather do? Edit: Randell Ell amassed over 600 yards receiving in 04, Wilson also amassed over 600 yards that year. That wen't along with a proven #1 in Ward, and you would think Miller would be semi viable being a first round TE. They also have a solid QB that is nearing pro bowl status. We will have nowhere near that type of production coming back next year, with or without Moulds.

Exactly. We know the guy is doubled constantly, he was even suspended because he complained about it. Do people really believe Lee Evans would have put up that first quarter if Eric Moulds wasn't such a Dolphin killer in the past? Move past the suspension, because he is a team guy, he just needs a winning team for once. Let him remain the tactician and Lee the deep threat until another option becomes available.

Even at his age he caught over 80 balls for the second consecutive year, and has still flourished as the primary target. He made up 30% of our passing offense last season, with Lee making up 15%. As for your Steve Smith comparison Smith was elevated to a number one, but only after he posted an 88 catch season, for over 1100 yards. Lee hasn't had a year of that kind of production because Eric Moulds was having it, both his rookie year and this year.

He made 5.5 in 2005, how much more do you think Moulds would want? I think he just wants to win, and if he sees management making those steps I think he will go for 7 million. I agree that anything past that is going to be walking a very thin line. I just hate the timing of this, no proven quality front men in the market, and bad QB's. If we are forced to do this then we have to do what we have to do. But the second we lose Moulds is the second I lose my optimism for 2006.

Giggity Goo

Haha, I was being honest. He's a massive DE, like 6-7 nearly 300LB's. I know all this because I asked myself the same thing awhile back.

I agree, and I'm sure we share the same philosophy about building a team, but I still feel like we can save Moulds. Let's just say we get him to come down to 8.5, but more importantly we sign him to a more cap friendly cut scenario for 2007. We have some space factoring in his 10 million, when you then figure in cut's we will still be in position to land some FA OL/DL. I just think if theirs anyway we can keep Moulds and still address the line with some FA's we really should try and do so. Then when next year is up we can make a better assessment on Lee, and hopefully the FA class will be filled with more proven players.