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Who knows, just passing along the local chatter.....

I'm not sure if the Lions coveting a guy we drafted is a good thing, but for those that just assume we could have traded down the local news reported the Lions were very interested in Whitner, and may have taken him over Sims had he been available.

It depends on the window of time were dealing with. Within the next decade we have the stadium lease issue, and we need to find an owner dedicated to keeping this team in Western New York. I think those two obstacles are things we can overcome, and I expect the Bills to do just that. Past the next decade is what concerns me the most. Many people on the board will be alive 20-50 years from now (God forbid anything happens). 20-50 years is a LONG time, and being Bills fans most of us will remain Bills fans threw out our lives. I think the probability of the Bills moving at some point during that time frame is higher then them staying, and it will only increase as time passes.

Good post. I have a long haired Shepard who's now around 108 pounds. For the first few months we had tons of problems with him, and it wasn't as if I was an uneducated owner, it was just that I was coddling him being a puppy and all. Eventually when I realized the dog thinks he's the Alpha I completely changed my approach. Now the dog is almost perfectly trained, and I even think he prefers the lesser role. What's scary is it's not just the abusive owners that create these problems, but the ones who buy aggressive breeds and can't put their foot down are pretty common also.

A few months ago I needed a part time job to make ends meet so I started delivering pizzas. The owner of the store is very successful and seems to dabble in many ventures. We get along well and the other day he approached me about another venture he wants to start. Basically this guy has enough capital to purchase 30,000 to 40,000$ truckloads of wholesale merchandise, and he simply wants me to turn it over threw EBAY as fast and efficiently as possible. So aside from listing the auctions, I will be handling market research, customers and basically all the other day to day stuff. My question is in regards to how much do people think fair compensation should be for performing this service? I'm under the impression that I will make a percentage of the net, exactly how much I don't know. He would also like me to work from his office, and this will be about 50 Hour a week deal. The man is very fair, but at the same time I would feel much better with a ball park % to talk to him about before I agree. Any power sellers know what kind of net an operation like this would have if it's successful?

I played football for 11 years, so I think I have a decent understanding of the game. Certainly the deep ball is the number one problem with Kelly Holcomb, but if JP doesn't know how to throw the short ball it won't matter that he can throw the deep ball. Regardless this topic has veered way off the beaten path. Arguing for Kelly Holcomb was never my intention, as I feel he is an inadequate starter at best but you almost need to be over the top in defending players around here when the off-season idiots bang the drum (not saying you).

3 more passes over 40 yards, and 1 more pass over 20 is not more valuable then a QB rating difference of over 20 points, a completition % difference of nearly 18%, and a win% difference of over 20%. Not to mention the fact that fumbles statistics based year to year have practically no long term predictive value. Very few players have showed a consistently higher rate off fumbling year to year that aren't scramblers or players who are being excessively sacked. This trend is evident in Holcombs fumble rate prior to coming to Buffalo. In the two previous seasons he had over 100 attempts he fumbled only 1 time in 5 appearances in 02 and only 5 times in 10 appearances in 2003. I can't argue with the scrambling dimension JP brings but it would only be an advantage if he can throw for enough yards that Holcomb won’t counteract it. JP averaged gaining 17.1 yards rushing per game while Kelly averaged 1.1 per game, a net difference of 16 yards a game. When you compare the average yards passing per game Kelly more then made up for it going fo 142.1 while JP averaged 105.5, a net difference of 36.6 yards per game. Kelly outplayed JP last year and we have no reason to think he won't be able to do that again come preseason. He just has that much more knowledge and experience and it’s difficult for a yong QB to compete with that. What also troubles me is if JP does win the job look at the unit he will be taking over. Holcomb isn’t exactly a great player but JP is still raw, and this offense is extremely undermanned as of now. Those are the conditions we are hoping he can win the job under then on top of that were hoping he shows us enough to stay with him another year. If things don't work out then he probably ends up a losing most his trade value and drifts into the likes of a undisclosed Draft pick. It's not very far fetched considering it just happened to former Tulane QB Patrick Ramsey.

Nall is nothing yet, in fact we know very little about the long term prospects of Nall. I just keep bringing him up as a point of emphasis because I find it funny how Nall is a scrub to so many and JP is a player we MUST wait on. Why can't people detach the round a player was drafted in? NOTHING JP has done at this point as a NFL player gives him a better long term outlook then Nail and in some instances he is even less accomplished.

Yup crazy here's some research for you oh mighty Holcomb Record in 05........ 3-4 JP Record in 05................. 2-7 (counting KC as Win) Holcomb QB Rating............ 85.6 JP QB Rating-.................... 64.9 Holcomb COMP%-............. 67.4% JP COMP%- ......................49.6% Holcomb Yards Per Att-....... 6.56 JP Yards For Att-.................5.88 Also the post topic was simply to imply if we traded JP then something outside of what we know must have been going on, and that we should trust our decision makers to handle that. If you think your more informed about JP then our decision makers then I don't know what else to say other then I'm not surprised.

Here's one for ya, how about a head coach having so much pressure from players that that he has to start Holcomb, all this despite it being both completely illogical in the midst of a losing season, and media suicide to his coaching career. One more thing you failed to consider is this is an open QB competition, who's to say Losman would win the job in that situation? Holcomb was not very good last year but he was noticeably more efficient leading the offense then JP was. Looking at Nall you have a guy similar in age who has actually had better number recently then JP has, albeit in mop up duty. He also has is a former ALL NFL Europe QB selection in 03, and benefited from learning from Farve the last couple of years. If you expect he came to Buffalo with the intention of making a lateral move think again

This is laughable. You criticize me for having no facts regarding JP's maturity yet you name him the unquestioned leader of this team. This is based on what? Was it his benching that gave you that impression? No doubt an effective coaching strategy is to bench your unquestioned leader to spike motivation. That strategy must have peaked when we beat Cincinnati on the road for our best win of the year. If you followed this team at all last year starting after the Saints game all of the Buffalo newspapers began reporting the division in the lockeroom at the QB position. The rumors were further substantiated when the season ended by both members of the Bills team, and even members of the staff. Prior to that at least 50% of all mocks available listed character as a question mark on JP out of Tulane, and to top it off you have the Melwalde Moore comments. If all this is news to you I really don’t know what to say beause it was widely discussed on here for months. Now even adding up all this stuff it's still just speculation, but don't ridicule me for leaning more towards these comments being true then your version of him being the unquestioned leader. This is not the anti JP thread you or some of the other posters are making it out to be. I simply said if Marv Levy and Co. put Losman on the block I'm confident it would only be because of a major issue that we just don't have enough knowledge about. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense. Why is that so illogical? Would it be better for Marv to come to that evaluation about JP and say hey why not give him one more year to prove himself, that way we can see if he can overcome amazing odds while his trade value declines, and the pool of players isn't as strong. It's easy to say let's see what he can do behind a good line but then again that theory just assumes the line will be better next year, or that somehow JP will have more options as we subtract Moulds and add Andre Davis. Odds are whoever the Bills go with at QB will be facing another difficult situation to be a in on a rebuilding team. In terms of trade value this might be JP's last year he has 2nd or 3rd round value, and it just so happens that it coincides with one of the strongest draft classes in recent memory, at a time we need help the most. Marv isn't seeing anything with JP past the fact that he is one of the QB's on the Buffalo Bills. JP is not Marv's guy, and if Marv feels strongly enough that he isn't the guy getting the best value now is not that shocking

I agree, the maturity problem seemed well documented, if this is how it plays out perhaps it was just Teflon taking another reach. From what I've witnessed since JP became a pro is if he does have a maturity problem I think it has a lot to do with his expectations. The combination of a lack of humbleness and the inability to back it up will not go along very well with NFL players, especially when it's coming from a QB. JP acted as if he should be held to the standard of a hall of fame QB, and openly discussed his goal of being the best ever. Both of these feelings would be positive with a player who had the humbleness to keep those thoughts inside but JP didn't. Veterans know how difficult the NFL is and I don't see them siding with a guy who has these outlooks when on the field he can't muster anything to back it up.

I’ll admit to being surprised about the JP trade rumors, if nothing else you just don't see many young 1st round QB's being shopped around. While I'm surprised I'm not upset, and since that seems to be the overwhelming response from the fan base I have to ask why? The main school of thought that seems to be floating around is we don't know what we have yet in JP, and since his price was a 1st rounder at a vital position we must wait to find out. People have even used the Brett Farve analogy to describe a player who in a similar situation went onto to have amazing success. The majority of the time this logic is sound and should be applied to younger QB's. But to simply follow this idea blindly without truly analyzing the individual circumstances would not be a sound strategy. What we know from the media and player histories is that Kelly Holcomb has always been known as a team guy, and JP Losman had some character question marks coming out of Tulane. From this we can safely assume one thing; Kelly Holcomb is a team guy. With Losman we just didn't have enough information to substantiate the Tulane reports. Kelly had a great reputation with the Colts, Browns, and now Buffalo, and we've heard the same from so many players that we know it's legit. As the nightmare from last season ended and the truth came out we learned from several different sources that the locker room heavily backed Holcomb as the starter. To me that is a critical peace of information because it explains the unorthodox decision Mularkey was forced to make when he benched JP. Logic does not say you bench your "QB of the future" in what was clearly a losing year. Why the players backed Kelly is the most important question that needs to be asked, but unfortunately only the Bills management and players know the answers. We can speculate that it was because he offered the players the best chance at winning, or we can say it was because he had a history of strong player support. On the flip side maybe the reports from Tulane were true, and JP wasn't the best teammate. If these latest reports about JP being traded are indeed true then that goes a long way in showing what happened last season. I just can't picture our entire staff evaluating JP, and then deciding to put him on the block in this stage of his career unless major red flags went off. If that's the case then why bother keeping him? For every Brett Farve the NFL has 1,000 Joey Harrington’s, Cade McNowns, Akili Smith's or Patrick Ramsey's. The odds of JP turning the corner are drastically smaller then him fading away. If the Bills have noticed something about him in terms of maturity then those odds get even smaller. If the Bills decide to stick with JP then I will still be supportive of that decision, I guess the point is if they do decide to trade him we shouldn't sit here worrying we traded away our chance at greatness. All we really have to go on is one poor season and the evaluation of a GM that never brought us a playoff appearance. If we can cut bait for a 2nd or 3rd rounder in this years talented draft class then we should do it, and fans shouldn't be panicking we made the wrong decision. If you like knowing a young QB is on the roster who could be the future of this team why can't Nall be that guy? He's put up better numbers then JP in the same amount of time, and also has an all-NFL Europe QB award to his credit in 2003. Sure he's a long shot at this point but isn't JP? Trust the staff, building a foundation is boring and slow when it's done right but in the end it pays off.

Brees is Free? Good Luck signing him. Collins has lost it, we never knew if Culpepper ever had it to begin with, and if he did if it will return post injury. McCown is the only other legitimate guy I see on that list but even then I just feel Schaub has the better future. This place can be ridiculous sometimes. For several years the board is incredibly skewed toward favoring QB's. Now it's so skewed to favoring every other position but QB you would think it's the QB was the kicker. Last time I checked we not only suck on the line but we aren't exactly set at QB either. If adding Schaub for a 2nd increases our chance of finding "the man" by even 20% is it that crazy?

I still feel Moulds has some trade value because if he's released multiple teams will be vying for his services. If one team wants to guarantee they get him then a trade would be the only way to do so. As for his contract if we honor his request to be traded and it happens to be to a playoff contender with a QB I would think he would be willing to work with the new team. Atlanta could use some help at WR, and our interest in McCown shows the Bills aren't necessarily content with Kelly and JP. The price for Schaub would be high but given the strength of this draft class our 2nd rounder probably equals out to be a late 1st most other years. Combine that with Moulds and it might just be enough to pry him out of Atlanta’s grasp. Thoughts? Good? Bad? Any offensive line comments?

I was just being a smart ass, everytime somebody posts something negative I'll follow with a marvism. But to respond to the Hurricane comment talent can hide character probelms much better in college then the pros.

Talent without character never wins.

He's been a very one dimensional WR since he entered the league. By that I don't mean he can't do other things, as he shown to be a great Gunner and KR, what I mean is all he runs is fly patterns. That's not to discredit him, as Malta pointed out he is an immensely talented player, he just hasn't been able to put it all together. One thing I do know is if Vernon Davis is in the cards in addition to Andre our ability to stretch the seems would be limitless. Andre is actually a better deep threat then Lee if that's possible, and if you had the duke splitting the seem with Parrish and Moulds underneath it would be a match up nightmare for any defensive coordinator.

The Davis signing doesn't signal the end of anything. Josh Reed wasn't signed and as far as I know Aiken hasn't either. Even if he does that leaves us with Moulds/Evans/Parrish/Aiken. Only two of those WR's have shown they belong in the NFL as a WR, so what do you do if one of them gets hurt? All this shows to me is the new regime is not comfortable staying put with players the old regime drafted. We needed depth at WR in case Roscoe doesn’t develop. Enter in Davis who can play the 2 spot if necessary but is much better suited as a three. I just refuse to believe that Buffalo would try so hard to resign Moulds, as it appears they’re doing, yet think they can replace him with a guy who spent most of last year at the bottom of New Englands depth chart.

It's like a vagina but better

I'd rather have Robert Redford

I would like to know what Jzmack thinks of Moormans speed

Would rather be in the NFC East then the AFC Belichicks.

Oops, I read a different page and I thought it said LG, turns out it did say LT so thanks for clarifying. As for how that impacts these projections Gandy was probably the biggest stretch at LG on this line. He might just end up having the same role he had with Chicago, a versatile backup G/T.