Mikie2times

Any reasonable man would say he has no fuggin clue who we will draft. People have talked about guys like Lynch, Willis, Okoye, and Peterson for months and for all we know the Bills could be targeting an unknown like Whitner. This thread is for people to call out that long shot pick. To start it off I have the Bills swapping firsts with the Chargers for Michael Turner and hopefully a 3rd or 4th. At the bottom of the first I can see us targeting a guy like Justin Durant at OLB. I'm thinking Buffalo is high on this kid and also freaked out Tampa will take him before Buffalo picks in the second.

1 (31) Via SD: Marcus McCauley-CB-Fresno State (Bills acquire Michael Turner and SD 3rd Round pick) 2 (43) David Harris-ILB-Michigan 3 (74) Justin Durant-OLB- Hampton 3 (92) Dameion Hughes-CB-California 3 (93) Jacoby Jones -WR-Lane

With the same variables at work for both RB's you would think the numbers would be an accurate indication of skill difference. The biggest issues I see are sample size, and long runs altering the sample. Turners busted off two runs over 70 yards in 2006 and 2005. Remove those single runs and his 2006 average is down to 5.43, with 2005 down to 4.5. Remove his 30-yard run in 2004 and his average goes from 5.2 to 4.07. Those are still very healthy averages but he's playing against a defense that’s chased LT all game. Past the numbers I've been watching him since N.Illinois and can confidently say he's a very talented runner. IMO more talented then anybody we can get outside of round 1. His dimensions make him difficult to bring down and his straight-line speed is good enough to hit the home run. The only major issue I see is diversity in catching the ball out of the backfield. Fairchild seems to value that type of RB, and that’s one thing Turner is not.

He’s obviously impressive, but the injury history is scary. He could be the next great back or the next great bust.

Its one or the other, IE Peterson or Lynch. Bush or Pittman or Irons etc. I wish the poll would have worked.

The way you answer this question seems like one of the largest variables of the draft. I think a good case could be made for most these options, but my hope is he comes from group 2 or 3. Tried having a poll, no luck. My groups had 1. Peterson-Lynch 2. Bush, Pittman, Irons 3. Hunt- Jackson, Walker 4. Smith-Henry-Wright

That’s viable strategy, especially being so thin at RB. Lynch is more of a "sure" thing, but my biggest question is does he have the character Marv looks for? To me that’s the only consistent quality that we seem to view as a necessity. I don't know of any incidents myself but I've crossed several bios that said Lynch has some character questions. My thoughts on drafting a RB that high aren't exactly positive either. I just see to much value in the later rounds with Bush, Hunt, Jackson, or Walker. I really think if we don't add a real NT, we must grab a bigger more powerful MLB. Willis just makes so much sense with our first pick.

Thats what I'm scared of.

Bettis wasn't elusive in the way some of the smaller backs are but with his feet he didn't need to be. When you are 240+ good feet can be deadly, and he's not exactly slow running times as fast as 4.50. He's a former all state QB with a rocket arm, and even played some safety as a freshmen at Louisville. The guys diverse as all hell and was a major target in Petrino's passing game. You don't stop this man in goal to go situations either, which has been a major issue for years. How is he not a legit candidate to fill hole at RB? Read up on this profile http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...ichaelbush.html

Why Thank you

Have you watched him play or did you just read he’s 240 and assume he must be a power back? He’s hardly bruising style runner, he's just big. He's known for having excellent feet and elusiveness for a man his size. The other thing he’s known for is having tremendous hands. If somebody teaches him when to use strength and when to use elusiveness he will be a tremendous NFL RB.

That’s bull, nothing would help this defense more then a legitimate NT. If Branch is available and we pass I will be devastated, especially after passing on Ngata last year.

1. Patrick Willis ILB- The best ILB prospect in the draft. Survived threw tons of adversity and has the physical tools we need from a MLB in this defense. 2. Michael Bush RB- A TD machine whose incredibly nimble for a man his size. Reminds me a little of Jerome Bettis with the way he runs. Has a great head on his shoulders and excellent hands out of the backfield. 3. Justin Durant OLB-Small school prospect that’s climbing up the boards after a great combine. Very intelligent team leader with top notch athleticism. Smaller stature isn’t a huge concern for our defense. 3. Daymeion Hughes CB- Bad combine drops him down to round three or worse. Perfect for us because top notch speed isn’t a necessity at CB if we play a true cover 2 look. Speed aside Hughes is a fantastic playmaker who intercepts a ton of balls, (13 the last two seasons) and has excellent character.

I refuse to believe that Buffalo discussed the trade in the hush matter that most trades are discussed. If so it was a gross display of conduct by the Giants GM. Hundreds of trades are discussed behind closed doors each off-season that never get leaked.

I'm very high on Williams and think if anybody can be a good NT it's him. I just would rather have a true NT, with Williams flowing back and fourth then having Williams stuck at NT. Branch is exactly what we need.

Ngata, I could only dream.

So lets create another need when he's about to have a contract year and we added two run blocking lineman.

That play was one of the most exciting plays since the playoff drought started. I know he's upset people, and we all think he's gone. But it’s a little unfair to completely forget about how he played when he replaced Travis. I have a jersey, and a CPU background of him doing the Buffalo Leap to remind me. If he gets what it takes to be the best for himself, and his team he's going to have a phenomenal season. If that happens I damn sure hope we support him as fans.

Please... So your saying when Willis caught a lateral from Drew, leaped a defender, and scored a TD against Seattle you weren't screaming like a girl? The fact is we loved Willis at one point. He's capable of making us feel like that again but it's up to him.

I would agree with that, less the RB. I like Michael Bush possibly in the 2nd.

Just understand that if we draft Okoye it will be to play the same DT position Tripplett, McCargo, and Williams are ideally suited at. How important is that with our needs?

Great another round peg in a square hole. Its one thing to draft a diverse player late like Williams, but to draft a three early with the intention of him being your starting NT would be amazingly stupid.

Many seem to think DT's are interchangeable, that a nose plays the same role as three or a visa versa. DT's are meant to play either one technique or the other, and very few are as effective, or even capable of playing both positions. I'm all for adding a DT, but with our needs he has to be the right DT. Being a classic three technique DT I don't see how Okoye is that player. As a three technique tackle you’re a smaller, quick player, which excels in pass rushing and stopping the run with penetration. As a nose tackle you line up head on, often encountering double teams. You must be big enough and strong enough to hold your positioning on the line. More times then not a three guy isn't even capable of playing nose, and if he is, he isn't at his ideal position. The qualities of the two positions just demand such different skill sets that it's rare to find a guy who can play both with equal effectiveness. Right now we have........ 1. Tripplett- Only a three 2. Williams- Tweener, can play either three or nose, but isn't dominating enough at NT to solve our run problems 3. McCargo- Is a three that some felt he could play NT, if he does see Kyle Williams 4. Anderson- Is a nose, but not a very good nose Three of our top four DT's are best suited to play the three techniques. The other DT, Tim Anderson, is a very bad NT. We need run stopping help more then anything which is a job that a NT is meant to solve. To paint a real world scenario of this just look at what happened to the run defense when P. Williams left. He was our NT, and after his departure the run D broke down. The following year we needed Adams to play NT but he wouldn't because it's the no glory position for DT's, and he viewed himself as a penetrating/three technique tackle. If the Bills want to make significant gains at Run Defense we need a true NT, not another 3 technique player. Check out this article in which our very own staff discusses the differences in our system. http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/2/525772.html

Did you pass over my thread? Pretty much says the same thing you plagiarizing SOB

Feel exactly the same way.