Mikie2times

We have a few posters consistently devalue CB's because we play the zone based cover 2. The theory is why waste resources at CB when we don't lock up in man situations. While the theory seems logical, I don't feel like it applies to our situation. No cover 2 teams play both corners up, two safeties deep, and drop the mike LB every play. Having said that I do recognize we play cover 2 on a good percentage of downs, and when the system is played as intended it would devalue an elite CB. This situation actually played out in Detroit, as they switched over from man to zone, and Dre Bly (an obvious man corner) got frustrated and demanded a trade. If you recall the same situation was also playing itself out in Buffalo before the 2006 bye week.. In 2006 over the first 7 games Buffalo gave up an average of 221 yards passing, with 10TD's/5 INT's. Nate was getting frustrated he couldn't show off his talents in a contract year, and McGee struggled without the additional help he was used to. It was clear to many our CB's were playing in a system that under utilized our talents. After the bye week Jauron decided to abandon the original game plan and revert back to more man coverage. The result over the final 9 games was an average of 193 passing yards per game, with 8TD/8INT. In terms of yardage we actually finished 7th in pass defense in the 2006 season, and 3rd in DVOA vs a teams #1 WR according to footballoutsiders.com. In 2007 we suffered threw a lot of injuries to our secondary, but it was clear from the outset our pass defense was going to struggle. When it was all said and done we finished 27th in yards per game, and 12th vs #1 WR’s (keep in mind we ranked 30th against #2's, which makes you wonder how often we doubled the #1’s). Irregardless our pass defense dropped off dramatically from 06 to 07. Jauron showed us he is willing to adapt to a hybrid cover 2 if the talent warrants it. The drop off in production from 06 to 07 suggests we would benefit from such a talent. To further the case we face Randy Moss twice a year now, and he's just not a guy you can release to a SS or FS deep (see George Wilson). Sure we need to keep improving the pass rush, but that’s not always an option, and if a true #1 CB is an option I don’t expect us to shy away from it just because we play this style of defense.

Why assume people are willing to trade down? Who the hell wants to pay out the arse for an unproven commodity? Teams just don't like to trade down anymore. Bill Polian actually wrote an article about that on NFL.com just recently. In his opinion, with the new cap structure, a high pick is actually less beneficial as a miss can set a team back years. As for the rest of the WR's all being the same I have to wonder how much of the rest of the receivers you've actually saw. I mean the main point of the thread was to discuss Kelly, and you say you only saw his highlight real. If you actually watch Hardy and Sweed they have speed, they just don't have football speed. They have long legs, good straight ahead speed, good 40 times. When it comes to accelerating and breaking in and out of cuts they fall short. If you watch Kelly you would know he's the only big receiver in this class who has football speed. You see him adjust, accelerate in and out of breaks, possess great leaping ability and body control. This isn't a long legged stride guy who can run fast straight , he actually can be a guy that beats you with route running. He can also beat you by being physical, making the tough catch in traffic. We could debate if he's worth the 11th pick but we could do that with anybody who "should" be available. If we do end up with Kelly I don't see any reason to not be happy.

Sept. 9 DENVER BRONCOS L Sept. 16 @ Pittsburgh Steelers L Sept. 23 @ New England Patriots W Sept. 30 NEW YORK JETS W Oct. 8 DALLAS COWBOYS W Oct. 21 BALTIMORE RAVENS W Oct. 28 @ New York Jets W Nov. 4 CINCINNATI BENGALS L Nov. 11 @ Miami Dolphins L Nov. 18 NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS L Nov. 25 @ Jacksonville Jaguars L Dec. 2 @ Washington Redskins W Dec. 9 MIAMI DOLPHINS W Dec. 16 @ Cleveland Browns W Dec. 23 NEW YORK GIANTS W Dec. 30 @ Philadelphia Eagles L

(12) Swap First rounders with the Chargers for Michael Turner. Turner is a very talented runner, and this would address RB while keeping a first round pick. (30) Chris Houston CB Arkansas- We need to add a high caliber CB to our secondary and at this spot Houston would be great. Ross is another player to target if he makes it this far. (43) David Harris ILB Michigan- Crowell could be a good fit at MLB but I like him more on the strong side. We need to upgrade our run support more then anything and next to Willis, Harris is the best to do that. (2nd Round) Manuel Ramirez OG Texas Tech- Trade 2007 3rd round, 2008 3rd round, to get back to the middle of the second round. Duke Preston could prove to be a good G/C back up but he really needs to step up if he wants to start. (92) Jacoby Jones WR Lane- Evans is going to be a great #1, Parrish should be a very good #3. I think a bigger target and legit prospect for our #2 spot would help. With other areas addressed we can afford this luxury pick.

Any reasonable man would say he has no fuggin clue who we will draft. People have talked about guys like Lynch, Willis, Okoye, and Peterson for months and for all we know the Bills could be targeting an unknown like Whitner. This thread is for people to call out that long shot pick. To start it off I have the Bills swapping firsts with the Chargers for Michael Turner and hopefully a 3rd or 4th. At the bottom of the first I can see us targeting a guy like Justin Durant at OLB. I'm thinking Buffalo is high on this kid and also freaked out Tampa will take him before Buffalo picks in the second.

1 (31) Via SD: Marcus McCauley-CB-Fresno State (Bills acquire Michael Turner and SD 3rd Round pick) 2 (43) David Harris-ILB-Michigan 3 (74) Justin Durant-OLB- Hampton 3 (92) Dameion Hughes-CB-California 3 (93) Jacoby Jones -WR-Lane

With the same variables at work for both RB's you would think the numbers would be an accurate indication of skill difference. The biggest issues I see are sample size, and long runs altering the sample. Turners busted off two runs over 70 yards in 2006 and 2005. Remove those single runs and his 2006 average is down to 5.43, with 2005 down to 4.5. Remove his 30-yard run in 2004 and his average goes from 5.2 to 4.07. Those are still very healthy averages but he's playing against a defense that’s chased LT all game. Past the numbers I've been watching him since N.Illinois and can confidently say he's a very talented runner. IMO more talented then anybody we can get outside of round 1. His dimensions make him difficult to bring down and his straight-line speed is good enough to hit the home run. The only major issue I see is diversity in catching the ball out of the backfield. Fairchild seems to value that type of RB, and that’s one thing Turner is not.

He’s obviously impressive, but the injury history is scary. He could be the next great back or the next great bust.

Its one or the other, IE Peterson or Lynch. Bush or Pittman or Irons etc. I wish the poll would have worked.

The way you answer this question seems like one of the largest variables of the draft. I think a good case could be made for most these options, but my hope is he comes from group 2 or 3. Tried having a poll, no luck. My groups had 1. Peterson-Lynch 2. Bush, Pittman, Irons 3. Hunt- Jackson, Walker 4. Smith-Henry-Wright

That’s viable strategy, especially being so thin at RB. Lynch is more of a "sure" thing, but my biggest question is does he have the character Marv looks for? To me that’s the only consistent quality that we seem to view as a necessity. I don't know of any incidents myself but I've crossed several bios that said Lynch has some character questions. My thoughts on drafting a RB that high aren't exactly positive either. I just see to much value in the later rounds with Bush, Hunt, Jackson, or Walker. I really think if we don't add a real NT, we must grab a bigger more powerful MLB. Willis just makes so much sense with our first pick.

Thats what I'm scared of.

Bettis wasn't elusive in the way some of the smaller backs are but with his feet he didn't need to be. When you are 240+ good feet can be deadly, and he's not exactly slow running times as fast as 4.50. He's a former all state QB with a rocket arm, and even played some safety as a freshmen at Louisville. The guys diverse as all hell and was a major target in Petrino's passing game. You don't stop this man in goal to go situations either, which has been a major issue for years. How is he not a legit candidate to fill hole at RB? Read up on this profile http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...ichaelbush.html

Why Thank you

Have you watched him play or did you just read he’s 240 and assume he must be a power back? He’s hardly bruising style runner, he's just big. He's known for having excellent feet and elusiveness for a man his size. The other thing he’s known for is having tremendous hands. If somebody teaches him when to use strength and when to use elusiveness he will be a tremendous NFL RB.

That’s bull, nothing would help this defense more then a legitimate NT. If Branch is available and we pass I will be devastated, especially after passing on Ngata last year.

1. Patrick Willis ILB- The best ILB prospect in the draft. Survived threw tons of adversity and has the physical tools we need from a MLB in this defense. 2. Michael Bush RB- A TD machine whose incredibly nimble for a man his size. Reminds me a little of Jerome Bettis with the way he runs. Has a great head on his shoulders and excellent hands out of the backfield. 3. Justin Durant OLB-Small school prospect that’s climbing up the boards after a great combine. Very intelligent team leader with top notch athleticism. Smaller stature isn’t a huge concern for our defense. 3. Daymeion Hughes CB- Bad combine drops him down to round three or worse. Perfect for us because top notch speed isn’t a necessity at CB if we play a true cover 2 look. Speed aside Hughes is a fantastic playmaker who intercepts a ton of balls, (13 the last two seasons) and has excellent character.

I refuse to believe that Buffalo discussed the trade in the hush matter that most trades are discussed. If so it was a gross display of conduct by the Giants GM. Hundreds of trades are discussed behind closed doors each off-season that never get leaked.

I'm very high on Williams and think if anybody can be a good NT it's him. I just would rather have a true NT, with Williams flowing back and fourth then having Williams stuck at NT. Branch is exactly what we need.

Ngata, I could only dream.

So lets create another need when he's about to have a contract year and we added two run blocking lineman.

That play was one of the most exciting plays since the playoff drought started. I know he's upset people, and we all think he's gone. But it’s a little unfair to completely forget about how he played when he replaced Travis. I have a jersey, and a CPU background of him doing the Buffalo Leap to remind me. If he gets what it takes to be the best for himself, and his team he's going to have a phenomenal season. If that happens I damn sure hope we support him as fans.

Please... So your saying when Willis caught a lateral from Drew, leaped a defender, and scored a TD against Seattle you weren't screaming like a girl? The fact is we loved Willis at one point. He's capable of making us feel like that again but it's up to him.

I would agree with that, less the RB. I like Michael Bush possibly in the 2nd.

Just understand that if we draft Okoye it will be to play the same DT position Tripplett, McCargo, and Williams are ideally suited at. How important is that with our needs?