Mikie2times

This talk of "screwing" up JP is hilarious. Had the Bills never removed Losman he would still be the same QB. Nothing would change. He takes to many sacks. He fumbles. He can't make reads to secondary targets. He has poor accuracy. He does two things well, throw deep, and run. Thats all. Those are the only things he's ever looked good doing and will never look good doing anything else. You can disagree with the way the coaches managed him but that management would have never corrected his fundamental issues as a QB.

Farve had a QB rating below 73 in 05 and 06. He tossed more interceptions then touchdowns those years. New system, new players, he will probably be pressing a little bit, and has a few more years on the arm. I see it far more likely that he returns to the 05/06 performance instead of the one we saw last year. Either way I'm not concerned about New York. We've been building a team from the inside out. They made a bunch of flashy signings and are building it from the outside in. Remember how that worked for us when TD was here? Come to think of it, this trade reminds me of when we acquired Drew.

No he's not. He might be one of the best pass blockers, perhaps THE best young pass blocker, but he's average in the run game. He plays high. The feared "left side" was often blown up last year in critical situations.

Probably the GM's more so then the coach, both are responsible for getting talent but it falls more on the GM. By the way who ran the show at QB for his offenses? Rookies, Kordellas, Jim Millers, Cade McNowns, Losmans the list of misfits goes on for days. Run a stat check on teams with QB's who enter a season with a career rating under 80, I bet Jaurons win % far exceeds the average of those teams. He's had two pro bowl offensive players, both lineman, in the history of his head coaching career. The lack of talent is undeniable and overwhelming. But I guess he should just "get it done". If not lets replace him, build a new system, get us a winner.Afterall trying that about half a dozen times over the last decade played no role in our playoff drought.

Lots of talent on those Bears and Bills offenses huh?

Which actually was his first, as Mr. Stain fails to point out, Edwards played as a true Rookie, JP did not. Edwards would have gotten the same yank job JP got his 2nd year had JP done anything with his chance last year. He imploded per usual, not once, but twice. But "he just didn't have a fair shot". As if pat, pat, pat sack is something you just "overcome". Wait, he's close, here it comes, all he needs is.....Heard that with Drew Bledsoe enough to know how that story ends up. Why again does rooting for a Bills QB to be good make you a fan of the player more then the team?

No sh-- what a Jack A$$.

Are you fuggin kidding?!?! Martz and JP?!? thats got to be the funniest crap I read on here in awhile. JP is a sack machine, Martz offenses always get the QB killed. Honestly, you couldn't ask for a worse combination of skill sets. Let me guess, you thought this would work because they both like throwing deep? After all JP was "inhibited" with the Bills, but once he's "unleashed" watch out..... Makes sense I guess. That is if the qb had 8 seconds to get rid of it. I would love to see Losman in our Division. He wouldn't know what the hell to do vs the cover 2.

I feel sick

Flashback to his rumble against the fish in the playoffs when even Tindale got in on the action. I liked Holmes, he ran hard, came from a horrible background. To bad his playing days didn't last longer.

We will be favored I know that. My guess is -1

Does he have a nice bubble?

I wanna find "the plastic cup" that somnabitch got me so drunk last weekend I almost took a crap in the woods. Which leads me to a more important question... If you crap in the woods and it doesn't make a smell, did you really crap in the woods?

I have no ties to WNY, been a fan since 1990 at 8 years old. Talking to my Dad the other day (Steelers fan) about the whole Toronto thing, how I would give up watching the NFL if the Bills moved. Not being serious I said to him, hell, if it happens maybe I'll become a Browns fan (live in Ohio right now). My Dad says Mike, you know you couldn't ever be a fan of another team, that team is in your blood. I agreed, I will never be able to love another team, and will always be proud that this is my team. The bottom line is we Bills fans make this team unique, threw the good times and the bad. The passion and loyalty for the Bills from our fan base is unsurpassed in sports. You just don't find casual Bills fans, it's in your blood or isn't, and if it is in your blood, you will always be proud of it.

Oh damn, Kalamazoo huh? Cops never treated me bad, beside a tear gas incident one time. Then again I'm a white dude with a brother thats a fed.

Nice...

I don't agree. If he was drunk he probably saw his life as he knew it flush down the toilet. That or he didn't know he did it. Like I said before, it's not right that he left, we all recognize that, but he stood to lose everything if he stayed. Lot's of people, even those with decent moral centers, would consider leaving with that much at stake. Not justifying his actions, more empathizing with his circumstances.

Marshawn was probably drunk as well, a point left out by many in this thread. If he was drunk he would have been in way deeper crap then he is now, and his judgement to make the right moral decision would have been certainly impaired. Obviously he shouldn't have been in the situation in the first place, just trying to frame it in the context of how it probably played out.

I must also confess, I DWS in Ohio.

Oh brother.

Exactly, which in that case would have been a zillion times more severe in terms of punishment and financial damages.

JP Losman is a somenabitch puppy kicker.

It was November 23, 1994. I still have my ticket stub to the Lions game that year. Great story by the way. Just how I envisioned him being in real life.

WTF?

I think I would for that reason as well. Conscience, guilt, whatever the phrase, it would eat me alive if I drove off. I know that. Still, I've never been in the situation before, so I can't say I know how I would respond in that moment to a certainty. At least not as certain as some here say. Not saying many wouldn't still pull over, because I know some would, I just know some who say they would might think about it a little more when they have so much to lose.