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I posted in the other thread I thought this might happen. I don’t think Von wants to switch teams at this stage in his career. He wants one more Super Bowl. I think he knows he can do a lot for his legacy, especially in WNY, with a championship. Not to mention, guys going to be fully healed. Obviously he’s going to lose impact at his age but he could flash more than in 24, especially with low reps in high leverage moments. Maybe we see a bit more of that bend. Players like him and he seems to be a good talent recruiter / well connected. He also seems to mentor our younger pass rushers which is very valuable. If we can make the numbers work we would be dumb not to do it.

Ya, I want Garrett as well but I agree with this. It’s probably in the range of 80% we get none of them. If we can get any of them you do whatever it takes. Happy to go with a 2nd here as well if that closes the deal.

Just read a story that they want a #1 and #3. Will never happen. Wont even get the #1 I don’t think.

I swear his supporters would argue if he shat himself it was a result of a greater plan. Leave it to the conspiracy theorists to divert from what can pretty easily be seen as Occam's razor. Trump likes control and attention. Tariffs provide that. No long game, not anymore complicated, not chess, not even checkers.

It's rather humorous how sensitive the church of McD is.

Anything near 20 million and you would have to say we think he’s a top 3-5 player on our roster long term. If that’s the case, I would say our rosters not good enough.

He not like us

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You say now they aren't Singletary or Moss, but we don't know what they will become. Cook is what you hope Henderson or Hampton can become, but he already is that player. With almost no wear on the tread in college. Most would have conceded 10 million to Cook, is 5 additional million / the equivalent of one additional quality starter, worth the money? Basically, is it worth 5 million dollars to go from replacement level at RB (all that you can count on as a rookie) to Pro Bowl level at RB? To me, as painful as it is, the answer is yes. I just hope the deal is reasonably short.

A larger drop off exists between Cook and Singletary/Moss types vs Cook and Barkley. To think we can just get that from a rookie is really stretching. He's one of the better backs in the NFL. Those guys are some of the better backs in college. Big difference even if some day they do end up doing well.

This is pretty close actually

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Thank you. This is insanity. We want this problem at times.

Well clearly everybody can bust. I like plenty of players, but I don't like either of these. I put $500 in the offseason on Daniels winning ROY. So that's what we do, we guess who we think will or won't work out. Sometimes we bet, sometimes we talk on here. I do not think these two will work out. If they do we can come back to this and I will eat my pie. I think Ward is in major bust territory. We will see.

He is turnover prone, bad decision prone, if you show me 100 QB's with more INT's per game it will not replace the fact that he is turnover prone and bas decision prone. The entire hype train that was Miami football was a complete sham. Ward beat up on paper tigers until they eventually lost 3 of 4 to end the year. Who was the best defense he faced all year last season? Duke? What a joke. They should have lost to downright average ACC teams in VT and CAL which would have put the Miami where it belonged, which is nowhere. His Heisman campaign just like the Hurricanes was sham. It fell apart when people saw it for what it was. He will be a bust, you don't seem to agree. Got it. Also not a huge fan of Sanders so I'm not that high on either one.

I watched him plenty of times. Very poor decision making. Comparing to Allen really isn't close and was Miami any good or was the ACC just that awful?

And they're in the Garret sweepstakes This is a bit of a better look. This is the actual 2025 cap hit. We have 20 million+ on Allen vs Hurts, 20+ million in Von, Knox makes double what they pay DeVonta Smith. Considering some of the dead cap that isn't listed here, comparing our cap hits with the champs sort of shows why we aren't. We have all sort of bad usage comparatively speaking.

A kid who is turnover prone in college. Built his reputation in the Pac 10 and ACC. I don't like either of the top QB's to be honest.

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Rob Johnson could have played worse in the Titans game? I have to think Flutie upgrades QB to some extent. Even if it's with his mobility. Johnson took 6 sacks in that game.

Calm down Maddy

I think from an impact perspective Garrett is the most certain outcome. I also think increased DL pressure is the best path vs the Chiefs.

What the Dr is missing is when you let a guy finish out a contract you have signifgantly more information available. As example, does that player still want to be part of your team? Is that player healthy? Is that player still a priority in roster construction? You can jump to sign people before the contract expires and you will save some money that way, but you will most certainly have some dead weight signings that you never had to commit to in the first place had you just waited. I'm curious, if we look up the value of waiting, compare that to savings we felt we got by resigning a player or the value we think we got by ensuring we signed that player early, if it justifies such a strategy. We wouldn't have signed White, Diggs, or Knox had we waited. That is almost 50 million dollars just this past year. So it's not like this is a black and white conversation.

Believe me, you didn't hurt my feelings, only my head. I'll try and deliver this in tiny bite size sections. I never said this was only about rookie deals. That was all you. So convenient to exclude Diggs when it was the most detrimental extension we have seen from this regime. In further breaking news, when players actually get to the end of the contract you get more information on that player. So in Whites case, had we waited, we might have also known White suffered a career impacting injury. These are the nuggets of knowledge you don't get when you try and save a few bucks not letting a guy play out his contract. Sort of like when you think you're good at TE but than draft one in the first round. Collectively these bad decisions have impacted our ability to add more talent. But you can also call out the play of the early extenders and the money we saved as a result of those extensions. Perhaps it equalizes it all out. It's a concept rational people can discuss at some point but this doesn't appear like one of those times.

I like your wording, "Crippled", always goal post moving on these boards. By all means feel free to expand on how Diggs, White, and Knox's contract extensions benefited us? How much did we lose the KC game by? Would 30 million+ been enough to make a difference? This has nothing to do with your wording. More to do with what ended up benefiting us more in the long run. If you think that rushing to sign players early benefited us more I would love to see you break down the reasoning compared to what it cost us. It won't cripple me to stay open minded to what that looks like.