Mikie2times

Not exactly the best way to measure this. I imagine a strong correlation exists with total snaps and total plays. If you want this stat to just focus on what it's intended you need a denominator.

Stoked, could be a complete steal if he remains healthy

Since you live in a vortex of league averages and you have clearly demonstrated all PPG data falls in line the last 30 years, let me ask you to consider a question... Top 3 QB today faces the most elite coverage in NFL history, who posts a 100QB average on the year vs a top 5 defense? Top 3 QB 30 years ago who faces league average coverage ability, who posts a 90QB rating on the year vs a top 5 defense? This is where your argument turns to crap. That QB 30 years ago played against defenses with much more diversity. All 32 teams did not focus a #1 priority in stopping the pass. Today's good pass defenses are the best in NFL history and they still aren't enough to stop the best pass offenses. 30 years ago you might face a lot of puppies, but then you might run into an elite pass defending squad. Same with running the ball. Teams had diversity and depending on the strength they had those strengths could lead to some compelling match up's. Now what is your match up? I'm a Bills fan, that's all I am. I will follow the Bills. But I don't watch anymore NFL football. College football has been able to maintain that unique identity each team has in the ways the NFL has lost it. PPG does not capture anything being described. To answer the original question I posed, if the goal was winning, you would take the first scenario every time.

Nope, the game is played exactly the same way as when they had the single wing. Just ask WEO. PPG is only up a smidgen so it all has to be the same.

Lot's of ways to arrive at the same outcome, the ride is not material. Gotcha.

What does dramatic mean to you? If I took 10% of your annual earnings would you consider that a dramatic reduction or would you minimize it in the same fashion you have toward every stat that doesn't fit your agenda?

Yes, thank you for illustrating my point clearly, 11% increase in passing TD's, 10% increase in passing yards, 9% increase in passing first downs. That's going off your data from 1994-2004 vs 2004-current? (2004 being a key year as that was the year heavy enforcement of illegal contact started). I already stated about 4 times in this thread the thread title should have been about how the game is played more than scoring defense. The original language in the first post discussed frustration with a passing league. So I felt that was in bounds to discuss? You stuck on a strawman fixating this discussion about points scored when it was conceded long ago that it was not a material difference. All the while, you have no earthly clue how that moderate and not severe incline came to be...... Bad offense perhaps or great defense? I don't know the answer, but I know you know. At least either that or we will talk about points scored for another 2 hours.

Dude. Give up. I conceded a 2 point increase in PPG wasn’t material and that the thread topic should have been more about how the game is played. You have no chance of winning an argument that the passing game is not drastically more efficient then years past. So unless you want to debate that, drop it. Points per game are not up THAT much. Passing attempts per game, completion %, yards, 1st down through the air, quarterback rating are all up dramatically. Are you saying that isn’t the case? If so please provide something outside of random years to your liking. Provide at least a decade sample.

It’s boring debating with somebody that assums what they say is right without anything to support it. I already conceded it’s not so much about points as the way the game is played. The enforcement of the chuck rule was well documented, not my opinion, in giving WR’s a decided advantage. Of which all the statistics verify conclusively. This is exactly like the MLB. The pass to the NFL is the HR to baseball. MLB has now ordered teams to keep balls in climate controlled humadors to see if teams can combat the HR impacts. Some fans apprently don’t like half the league averaging 30 HR’s. Do your research on that topic as well. Not really a claim at this point. The two things are the same. Shift the rules to push a part of the game casual fans find exciting. More likely it it has turned FG into TD’s? You can’t have it both ways. If that was the case points would be up at a rate that you have all ready went to great lengths to refute.

I will concede it's not so much points allowed as it is the way those points are allowed. All QB stats are grossly inflated compared to the 90's. More of the games production has come in the air. The defensive battles seem to occur more from sloppy offensive play then good defense. Then you have the teams with QB's who resemble NBA teams which is a great analogy by Bills Fan in Maryland. We didn't need the chuck rule. The balance of power between QB and defense was perfect. Now it has become imbalanced and that's not something I enjoy. A lot of people think the measurements in a baseball were either intentionally or unintentionally altered ever so slightly and that has been whats led to the ridiculous HR totals after the 2016 All Star break. I see that as very similar to the current state of the NFL. I don't like baseball with a pitcher hitting opposite field HR's.

You picked this year, then randomly picked out a year of out a sample size of 50+ years that suited your argument. I "randomly" picked the 90's, you can also randomly pick the 80's or the 70's and get the same data. I also did it pre chuck rule and post chuck rule. So not exactly random. More of a factual way of interpreting information. Farve had a career completion % of 62% Moon had a career completion % of 58.4% Bledsoe had a career completion % of 57.2% Marino had a career completion % of 59.4% Only 1 out of the 4 above 60%, meanwhile this year 24 teams surpass that mark Scoring is up. Not enough for your liking, but it's up. Maybe I should have titled the thread today's games are boring because QB is all that matters and diversity in elite rushing and elite defenses doesn't compete against elite QB's. That seemed a little long though.

Sine the chuck rule in 2004 passing TD's are up 13% compared to 1990-2003, points per game are up 1.67 which may sound small, but it's 428 points a year more on average. Elite QB's can take advantage of the rules the most. Brady does not have the career he has had without the chuck rule. That whole offense is timing. It just changes the game in the way teams are forced to find an elite QB because in doing so that can overcome elite running teams and defenses. Exceptions can be found, but that's exactly what they are, exceptions.

All passing metrics are up compared to years past as you would expect them to be. With the rules as they are, great QB's are better on average than great defenses. This leads to lack of balance in the product. You see exceptions, but you don't see many rules. In the early 90's a great QB against a great defense was a 50/50. It's just not that way anymore.

Pretty lazy way of using data to fit an agenda. This decade compared to the 90's Passing TD's are up 29%.

I think the great defenses also led to the more exciting story lines. In no way is this supposed go the path of a hate New England thread, but let me see Brady in the early 90's with his WR's having massive timing interuptions.... I liked the great ground attacks. Great defenses. All things great outside of just the QB position. It's what made the game diverse.

It's so natural to long for times gone by, but I just appreciated the NFL so much more before it was intentionally converted to a QB league. I like defense. I like seeing defenses that are so formidable they can combat even the best QB's. Consider in 1990 only 3 teams had a completion % above 60%, this season 24 teams did. Anybody else feel similar?

Buffalo will not sign Cousins. I certainly wouldn't mind it, but he's going for money we won't compete with. After that Tyrod is equal to anybody else. They will keep him for insurance. If they don't need to cash the insurance they will trade him. I do think he has some trade value. I'm ready to move on from him, but is he among the top 32 QB's in the NFL? Even his detractors would admit to that. He will start somewhere next season and I will be rooting for him. He has been as much of a class act as you can possibly be.

I was pro Watson early last year. I just think at some point these scouts get analysis paralysis. Watson shredded the top defense in the country back to back seasons on the biggest stage. He wasn't as run prone as some think, pretty neutral, did a ton of damage with his arm. Took a Clemson to the first NC in 35 years and B2B NC's. This against a Power 5 Schedule. At that point if he has a clean head and doesn't have a noodle arm, let it be. He passes the test.

All the conversation is focused on a big FA signing or a trade up. Would it surprise anyone if we didn't land Cousins? At which point you either execute your trade up or you are likely looking at the scenario in the subject line. The scenario nobody wants to talk about which puts Taylor back in play. It's all in preference but I don't want to hang my hat on Rudolph or Jackson for the next 3-4 years. Don't kid yourself when it comes to the franchise QB game. We need to play it but the wrong choice has just as strong of an impact as the right choice. If we don't get our guy I would rather we move on. I don't want Taylor one more year and I sure as heck don't want to see the above scenario, but I'm surprised it's not being discussed. If nothing happens in FA or a trade up I would think this is the most likely position we will find ourselves in. An interesting sub plot to this is we will get some direction in the next 30 days. Tyrod is due 6 million on 3/16, if he is on the roster after that it could indicate Buffalo being defensive toward the scenario outlined in this post. If we move on Tyrod it could indicate Buffalo's confidence in delivering on a FA or trade up.

We all have our opinions on who we like the most. That said, whoever the Bills get, if they do get somebody, and it's high, I hope the fan base will be supportive early.

This is where I have landed as well after multiple statistical evaluations and then reviewing the film. I will only speak to Rosen, because I do feel that is our target with the Giants Pick, but if not Rosen I would like it to be Mayfield. In my eye Rosen has just distanced himself enough from Mayfield that I really hope that's who we land. #1: Rosen: Several very strong qualities that would translate over that none of the other QB's showed consistently. His upper body can be shifting and scanning all across the field at a rapid rate but his lower body and feet keep up and in such a fluid way. Just impeccable foot work and positioning to always be ready to pull the trigger. He scans the field and in most the throws he made he wasn't throwing to his first target. He manipulates defenses with his pump fake and body positioning. His release is lightning quick. Does a great job hitting the intermediate throws, specifically over the center and back shoulder. Great ball placement. Could work on his deep ball a bit. I don't think he has elite arm strength but certainly more than enough. He could start his first season and be on his way by year two. He's the best QB in this draft and has been considered as such for some time, all this QB hype from other prospects has sort of clouded that.

The below is pretty realistic IMO. I would then trust the front office to fill out the rest of the roster with players that fit the system. They seem to do a good job identifying those undervalued players by other teams that perform well in our scheme specifically on defense. With this plan I want to address the DL, LB, WR, CB, and QB. Free Agency WR: Jaron Brown, Cardinals: Vertical threat won’t break the bank. DT: Star Lotulelei, Panthers: We need DL help, Star has a history with our front office. I think this gets done. WR: Jordan Matthews, Bills: He has had some very productive seasons and was a horrible fit for Tyrod with most his game coming in the intermediate route tree, especially over the middle. DT: Kyle Williams, Bills: Kyle plays one more season CB: E.J. Gaines, Bills: He fits the scheme; we played much better when he was on the field Draft Round 1: Bills Select Josh Rosen QB UCLA Recap: Bills trade picks 21, 22, 53, and Cordy Glenn, to the New York Giants, acquire pick 2 Round 2: Rashaan Evans MLB/OLB Alabama Round 3: Malik Jefferson MLB/OLB Texas

Originally signed on with Tennessee, didn't work out. Fell out of football, played D-2, then landed in Memphis and had some prolific seasons. I watched 4 Memphis games this year, I don't see him as an NFL QB. They run so much RPO it's hard to evaluate him fairly. His arm strength is a ? Which was evident going against the wind in his bowl game against Iowa State. You could see balls tail and dive. Wasn't pretty. If he gets drafted it will be late or he will be a UFA.

What I don't like about Allen is he seems to bail from the pocket early. At Wyoming this resulted in a ton of big plays as he's good outside the pocket. It just won't work in the NFL. He will get sacked before those plays will develop. Allen has the strongest arm and best build. That will always intrigue scouts. Sometimes it will do so to the extent he goes way higher than he should. I wouldn't be shocked if he is one of the first off the board or if he slides to the 20's.

I'm sure the Eagles and Doug Pederson went to work every day. Just as sure his players enjoyed themselves more. I would hate working for a company ran with a BB mindset. That mindset doesn't guarantee success either. Most the time it leaves to contempt and resentment. Having one of the best QB's of all time and the constant success has allowed him to run a system like that for so long. If he had a couple losing seasons he would lose the team.