Mikie2times

Does the conference even matter? I understand how dominant the SEC is but look at the players Mahomes=> Big 12 Allen=> Mountain West Burrow=> Big 10 to SEC Lawrence=> ACC Hurts=> Big 12 to SEC Herbert=> Pac 12 Jackson=> ACC If the SEC didn't pull in a couple Big 10 and Big12 transfers, they would be pulling a goose egg as far as NFL relevant QB's. Well, Prescott was all Miss. St. but you get the point. Conference seems to matter very little.

I thought they moved forward with the ban, but it appears not....silly in my opinion. You can get 2-3 yards every time with that play. Probably in the spirit of the game given the games roots, but not the modern version. Not in the spirit of the game IMO.

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The Eagles had a historically easy schedule in 2022. I mean look at this thing. Then they end up with the 49ers in the NFC championships and they lose every QB on the roster. Hurts benefited from a lot of timing/RPO's. The Scrum QB sneak play. I mean how valuable would a guaranteed 1-2 yards every time you had to have it be? They can't do that this year. If he can do anything close this year I will be impressed. Sirianni did a great job building an offense around him that was basically perfect for what he could do. But give the league a year of tape. It's always that way. If he can duplicate his 22 campaign he deserves a lot of credit and is among the best in the league.

He will still get open within 10 yards....Guarantee it.

If you asked a Chiefs fan who do they fear. You think any chance exists they’re saying us? Doesn’t that say enough?

I get that one confused with the Bills game in the opener the year before

In Allen's 4 lowest rating playoff games we averaged 17.5 vs 23 for the Bengals. In Burrows top 3 games they averaged 24.3 while Allen averaged 36.6. The delta on the high vs low for the Bengals is -1.3 vs -19.1 How is this place so blinded by this? Allen is better against worse. Better when good. Far worse against better. Far worse when bad. The averages don't matter when you need to win 3-4 straight against the best. Who cares that you dropped 30+ on Miami and the Patriots?

This pretty much. As much as they like to say Burrow couldn't do what Josh has done (I believe that to be the case). As much as they like to mock Burrow for his 1 TD and 200 yard playoff games. Josh is worse when he is bad. Far worse. Brett Favre only won one Super Bowl. If Josh is to become what many on this board want he needs to figure out a way to be more consistent. His lows can't be like the Bengals in 2022 or 2020 Chiefs playoff games. Otherwise his 2021 Patriots/Chiefs games really don't matter. In the playoffs it just takes one Favre like day and its done. Consistency is not Allen's friend and it never has been.

Yup...what a sh!t show. Going down the AI loop.

Allen has higher highs. Burrow has lower lows. Both have crap offensive lines. Burrow is better in the pocket as a pure thrower. Faster to his reads and more accurate. Allen is responsible for basically everything the offense produces. Assuming Allen would just do better as Bengals is just not the case. Just as Burrow would struggle to carry the weight Josh has to carry. Josh would struggle to be as consistent and methodical as Burrow is. They’re completely different players. At this point in his maturity I think Burrow is more in the mold of a Super Bowl QB than Josh. But that can also change pretty quickly if Josh takes a few steps (which he appeared to do until the end of 2022). Understood all the reasons why that could have occurred. We will see if they play out this year or not.

Sorry, but Vince Lombardi isn't winning any Super Bowls with that New England roster. People are obsessed with trying to give either Brady or BB credit for the Dynasty. BB knew how to put his teams in the best positions to win games. Sometimes in doing so he would absolutely cross the line. His strength in coaching was attention to detail and managing egos. He might have been the best ego manager in the history on the NFL. Almost a 20 year run of winning or threatening to win the SB. Unheard of before or since. Now that Brady is gone, he is basically maxed out at a wild card. Take away Mahomes or Allen and you aren't going to see a much different outcome. You need good players to win. Great players to win it all. A coach is not going to be able to do it alone. Not close. That doesn't discredit him as an integral part of that run. If it was almost anybody else coaching that team it would have been about a 5 year run like most dynasty's. He is the reason it was 20 years. I'm going to go hang with my dad now Sincerely, Stevie

They have Rogers at 45 and Herbert at 35. That tells me this has nothing to do with positional value. Clearly Josh is easily a Top 10 and likely Top 5/3 with positional value. They have to have Burrow and Hurts ahead of him. Obviously Mahomes as well. I won’t argue Burrow, but I would disagree Hurts has shown enough. Let’s see him do it again this year.

Just to be clear. You think it's normal for people to do 150mph at 3am?

I'm saying it's common for law enforcement to treat star athletes favorably. For every unfavorable scenario like Ed, you will find more favorable outcomes, black or white. When it's a celebrity or athlete skin color doesn't matter as much as when it's a regular Joe. In general terms, you see a high correlation between speeding after midnight and DUI's. The higher the MPH on the vehicle the higher the correlation to DUI's. So why is it that far fetched to think he could have been drinking. All you have to say to make that conclusion is he got favorable treatment from law enforcement. https://www.theiacp.org/projects/the-correlation-between-speed-and-alcohol-project

For every Ed Oliver 100 get off without anybody ever knowing otherwise. It was 3am. If somebody said a person was pulled over doing 150mph at 3am, what would you put the over/under on that he was drinking? I would say 90%. 75% in this exact situation. Plenty of fan cops.

As soon as I get my mouth off this foot I'll let you know

Shut up and win the offseason

My brother is a flower in Utah and says he is constantly violated

It will be Higgins. Agree that Mike Brown will struggle to pay, but he will get it done for Burrow. I think Chase as well.

It would be interesting (maybe I will break it down eventually) to see the outcome of the coaches that weren't fired. Who they were and what was the nature of the situation. Also, is it first five seasons for both coach and player? I tend to agree that McDermott is starting to be on the wrong side of the odds, but it's still interesting to consider some coaches and the situations they found themselves in that almost ended this stat. John Madden- Started coaching in 1969 with Lamonica at QB. Stabler joined in 1970 starting in 1973. Made the playoff every year but 1971 and his final year coaching. Winning a Super Bowl in his 8th season as a head coach with 6 early playoff departures Tony Dungy- He won it the 5th year and damn was it close. By that point he had 8 previous playoff departures. These guys have an interest to me in regards to the stat being discussed because both came within a fraction of that stat no longer existing (Madden might actually nullify it depending on the criteria you use). What is the common thread with both coaches? They played in the same era as a Dynasty. Madden couldn't overcome the Steelers. Dungy couldn't overcome the Patriots. Now we have to deal with the Chiefs. I think if we dig into the history of this stat and the ones that failed we will find a lot of teams that shouldn't have won. Teams that just matched up against other teams that were flat out better. Which maybe they look back at us one day and say the same thing. I sure as hell hope not. Full disclosure, I have no horse in this conversation. I like the discussion it brings. You have two passionate sides. Neither knows for sure. All we can do is discuss the history as many have. It's made for decent conversation.

I think we are seeing about how much a coach can do without a star QB with what we have seen with BB these last few years. Which IMO is very similar to what we saw from McDermott his first year. Without that QB, a coach can be good enough to get you into to the playoffs. But that's about the extent of it. So in my mind I agree that it's Allen being more valuable in a landslide. As far as how much the coach ultimately matters when you have the great QB? Maybe it's even more important at that point. Who knows. It's a different angle to evaluate it under. I think most agree Andy Reid and Bill Belichick pass that test when maybe they weren't so good at passing other tests. While Bud Grant and Marv Levy failed that test but excelled in others.

It's funny, what seemingly gives him no limitations (his mobility) is the very thing that actually limits his ceiling. No matter how you slice it, the very best are the best in the pocket. The elites in that area are the legends. Nobody else. Brady, Montana at the highest of the rung. Burrow being of that style, just not pedigree at this time. Mahomes is probably the most different, but even with him, he wants to be mobile in the pocket vs flat run. I have always thought when it comes to a QB running it actually hurts development. It's something they go to when other things aren't working. We have seen that with Josh. But then a time comes where you can no longer use it. Teams take it away or its late in a game. Running is not something a wise QB builds a large foundation around. I think Josh actually can mature into a more true pocket guy. For his development, even more than his health, I hope we see him do that.

Easily more IMO, but not more than what Baltimore paid, which to your point was lunacy. I look at OBJ as having more injury concerns and generally more uncertainty than Hopkins. Hopkins probably even has the higher ceiling if it's measured in one year-two years. Not everybody has the same school of thought on Hopkins, but i see him as a legit number one over the next year or two and then a stronger decline. But if that is what it is, well worth it.

One of the all time greats, magic voice