Mikie2times

The point was Allen plays worse than most when he's not on and the variance is too extreme. I don't think that is really debatable when you look at rating in losses.

You realize in losses Allen is among the worse QB's in the league in QB rating since he has joined the NFL?

When Allen doesn't play well we go nowhere. We don't score, we don't win. It's not just sort of bad. Nothing works. It's the exact opposite when he plays well. Everything works. We drop 40 on most teams. We overwhelm teams. Why is it so severe and is that an issue? You could say it's because so much of the offense is built around him. That makes sense. But it's also in the play itself. When Allen is bad, he's awful. Bad picks. Difficulty getting first downs and sustaining any TOP on offense. It all but removes our chance at winning it's so bad. That type of play is occurring too much this season. Even if the overall numbers look good which as usual are being elevated by the ridiculously above average games. Everybody loves the Mahomes comparison this year who clearly isn't having a great year and nobody would say for a second that he is. So then they use that logic to justify Josh not having a great year and how all QB play is down. But what about the Purdy, Tagovailoa, Wilson, Prescott, Cousins, on it goes. Players in the top 10 in QBR this year who are not having nearly the rate of games this year so bad that winning is all but lost. Sure all QB's have them. They just don't have them at these rates. This thread is now hijacked and that is not my intention. But to get back to the point of the thread. To think that Josh can't grow more by reducing the variance is not just a decent questions. It's obvious. We have also seen this for a long time now. So to ask if it will ever change is not insulting it's logical. The high's and lows are too big and the playoffs require some degree of steadiness for multiple games. We will never survive this type of rollercoaster. In 19 career losses Mahomes has 92.4 rating, in 22 losses Burrow has a 83.4 rating. In 30 career losses Allen has a 73.2 rating. It's not the case unfortunately

His second game is in the three game sample and his first game is on the other. They're correct.

You actually are a pretty good poster and Allen has a lot of BS said about him. But you just have too much bias the other way. Even posters saying he is elite but not at his best this year makes you go off on some EPA tangent or rant about the offensive line or the WR's. Below is what you feel we should say Josh is at his best. 8 out 11 games this year that is what his stat profile looks like. I'm very optimistic with what we saw last week. He is still one of the best, but your opinion loses validity if you can't view things both ways.

You're basically insulting the guys because he asked a pretty legitimate question. You're so sensitive about anything to do with Josh it's hard to even have a logical conversation with you. You have eyes dude. He single handedly lost us the Jets game and probably at least one more if you're being honest. You will cling to EPA. When EPA doesn't fit your narrative it will be TD's. When TD's doesn't fit your narrative it will be other players. On it goes, the cycle of the insanity. The OP never said Josh wasn't an elite QB. Get off the horse.

he has videos on youtube that get posted of his golf outings. I used to drink like he does. Not exactly hard to spot the type.

They don't hit the course and shotgun beers as the status quo. Plenty of people in this world with self control. Nobody is going to pick a person who doesn't have that to lead an organization.

I think 2021 was his ceiling (for now). He was nearly perfect in several games that year. He had a coordinator that understood what he needed to be successful. Defenses had yet to adjust to what we see now, so you got to see his full skill set on display. Teams didn't spy him all the time. They didn't slow rush him so he was able to escape a lot which opened his rushing and improvisation more. Things we just don't see nearly as often as teams have taken it away. I think a better question would be what would he need to do in order to be better. From my perspective the offensive system needs to be a better fit. Dabs was excellent at designing plays that helped Josh be deliberate with his decisions. His weapons need to be a better fit. He is made for a big body WR and we have never given him one. Somebody like a Courtland Sutton with a big catch radius. Then I think it's just about maturity and personal and mental growth. As a player and as a person. He appears to me to still be somewhat stuck in that college mindset. "let's get F'in wasted". You see it in his golf outings. All that is fine. But it speaks to what I'm saying. An extremely well adjusted person at the top of his craft is not doing those things. A CEO of a company does not ask that person to run his business. He see's it right away, that person just isn't ready yet.

What a sad story. Congrats for overcoming the odds Jim.

It's was suggested by a rugby expert to do something along these lines. Essentially go horizontal against the center and guards and just stack them up. The Chiefs actually lined up this way but they weren't able to execute it. I half way joked about rug pulling the line and getting a personnel foul, but I actually think those concept have some merit. Whatever you do you need to figure out how to introduce some doubt or some new variable into the Eagles. It could be a combination of several things. Maybe on the first attempt you "accidentally" jump offside and drill Kelsey and Hurts. Then maybe on the 2nd attempt you take a quick back step and rug pull them. Then maybe you incorporate the sideways cut against the center and guard. Whatever you do I think you want to get Philadelphia thinking twice that they can just go low and drive. Get them thinking about making some business decisions. Don't make it easy.

It would be funny if we rug pulled them at the last second. Those lineman would just fall over.

Pittsburgh is actually ranked 10th in weighted DVOA. So while they have had plenty of luck early in the year, that ranking will usually be enough to get you in as a legit playoff team. Stroud and Houston rank 12th in weighted DVOA. The INT monster finally got him last week. You have to figure at some point he will cool down. All three of these teams have cake schedules. But we don't need a ton of help. The normal NFL variance should be enough as long we take care of business.

If they want to pull that on the 1 yard line it would be worth of few personal fouls. Just sayin.

😀 It has broken many hands! That's exactly what I thought when he did it.

I liked Kelce punching the turf after the fumble

So sick of seeing that 13 seconds coverage. We have signifgantly better WR's than KC. I even think our defense will match them long term.

Jesus it hit his hands

Is this where the holding call comes?

As much as it annoys me when people cover for Josh by saying all offenses suck this year, no question. You don’t see that dominant squad. This drive would have been a guaranteed 6 in years past. Now it’s less than 50% in my opinion

My biggest takeaway is we need to rush with discipline against both these guys which is something we usually suck at.

I hope Joseph crotch slams Hurts

We will sweep Philadelphia and KC. Babe Ruthing this now.

I don’t like the play because it takes excitement out of the game. It surprises me the NFL would keep allowing it given they usually will air on the side of entertainment value.