Mikie2times

Vikings were a fraud last year. They ranked 28th in DVOA. Last time I checked the Bills didn’t have Allen on one leg for 4 games as the Bengals did. Bengals still beat us. As they did last year. They have accomplished more with less (go figure). Stop normalizing our mediocrity with crappy examples.

Bengals went to a Super Bowl already. They started the season with Burrow hurt. That is why they had the record they did. They beat us and the 49ers and ripped off a ton of wins before he got hurt again. Vikings? You’re kidding right? They had nearly a league record in win% in games decided by one score. Everybody had them regressing this year but you apparently.

We have been underperforming against DVOA for awhile now. Go figure.

Debatable given who we played. But fair enough. So you think Frazier just “needed some time off” or did he feel like he’s was worried he was going to get scapegoated? If you had to guess? Knowing that he still has a desire to be a coach and left on his own? Do you think the article describes a guy that would freely give up defensive play call duties or one that would want to maintain control over them even if it wasn’t for the best?

Why did Chad Hall take a lateral move? Why did Leslie Frazier step down? Its not like this article is without smoke surrounding it. It seems pretty obvious to me at this point Frazier knew what was going to happen if he stayed and he just beat them to the punch and in hindsight yes, that would appear like McD passing the buck as his defense has regressed since his departure.

Where is anybody commenting in this article that is relevant offensively? Have you heard from Josh or Diggs or Knox or Morse or Gabe?

So you would take Bill if he craps himself late in games and can’t win anything past the regular season? He’s like the anti McD as far as results.

I wonder if the article was enough to make him actually change. Like he should have after 13 seconds. He’s basically dead if he doesn’t at this point. What does he have to lose.

It seems very unlikely he could have survived this in one piece and he might have lost his HC as a reference on top of it. Well done by him.

I don’t think Dungy is a bad coach. So I will walk that back. McD is also not a bad coach. But what we are experiencing right now, this good enough to hang in but not good enough to win in the playoffs. I’m not sure that is better than a complete train wreck. It’s like staying married to the wrong person for a decade vs a complete disaster. Things might have been nice at times over that 10 years but that’s exactly the issue. It leaves you always hoping it could be better and ends up being much more costly than if she was just a psycho nut job. Your mom loves her your dad hates her. You’re happy sometimes, miserable most. You get stuck in conflict half their time and the next thing you know you’re 50 pounds overweight, you can barely see your Johnson and a decade is lost. With the psycho, it’s done and you move on. I can’t give credit to McD for being this type of coach. If anything, that is exactly why I want him gone.

Kind of weird when two head coaches go to the Super Bowl the first year you leave “your” team. Again, he is Sean. Regular season success, fails in the playoffs. Same bend but don’t break defense. I guarantee these same conversations happened in Tampa and Indy when he was there.

Curious if anybody's opinion changed on Frazier. I was almost certain he was let go before and they tried to cover that up. But I don't see it that way anymore.

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It took legendary coach Jim Caldwell his first year to go to a Super Bowl with the same Colts team. His first year he left Tampa they win a Super Bowl. He has a career 9-10 record in the postseason. Lucked his way into one Super Bowl against one of the weakest Super Bowl opponents in NFL history after a 21-3 comeback in the AFC championship by what I presume wasn't his defense. Dungy is McDermott. Hell, they basically run the same defense, they're the same person. If that is what your vision of success looks like, no thanks.

I don't think so. I'm sure Beane would feel just fine with complete control.

The story on hall seems more likely to be true the 9/11 story. So why is anybody around with a story if it was handled in private?

If this is the argument, I think the distance as far as how much Chad needed to move to center could very well be the same for Sean. The combination of the two likely provided balance. Any way you slice this Chad seemed to be one of our better young coaches and he’s no longer on the team. He was with us since 2017 and left to take a lateral role with the Jaguars. The story and the way it is portrayed seems very likely to be true. At the very least, I would expect a guy with the right temperament to handle this behind closed doors if he had a problem. Not in such a way where this impression could be left behind.

I'm not going to assume that line was crossed because a group of guys coordinated to do something special.

No, we see the point. If you have nothing but pricks as coaches you won't get the best out of anybody. It's a balancing act.

An entire position group decides to buy a WR coach who probably makes less than most directors a present, because he's awesome, and instead of being proud of that coach or expressing behind closed doors a potential conflict, we can just justify him raining hell down for the day and being a complete prick to that coach as well as others. Bra.....off the hill on this one.

Terrorist's wouldn't cut corners

It means I have to go to the bar and if I accidently have 8 drinks it's not my fault.

Ya, I remember hearing that a couple years ago. I also listened to Frank in my 20's. I wasn't really speaking about Josh originally. If we wanted an example of a guy that can easily relate to others he's it. It's who he is. He probably does it so well he has a difficult time being the type of alpha leader many want. I feel as if McD is the opposite. He's doesn't relate to people the best and he's probably a bit of a prick. Beliichick is basically the same type of person in my view. So that alone doesn't mean everything.

San Diego is airing the Charger game at that slot.

At least SD has amazing weather because it's about the only place in the US that is not showing this game.