Mikie2times

To assume Allen is playing in his late 30‘s is crazy to me. It might happen. It just as easily could be 35. He will be a billionaire by then. Probably with kids and a wife that would rather he hangs it up. Beaten body probably falling apart. Appreciate this now, it could change quick.

Edmunds made the defense better based on his range in coverage, size, and athletic ability. While Bernard is unequivocally a better pure football player, this is the NFL. You don't just get to subtract 3 inches, 30 pounds, a massive wing span difference, and a tenth of a second on the 40 and call it a day. It matters. McD went from Luke Kuechly to Edmunds to Bernard at a critical position that defends the entire middle / intermediate area of his defense in zone. Edmunds prevented a lot of pass attempts and a lot of plays that led to a lot of positive things for our defense. To pony up the money he wanted was not an easy decision and I'm not faulting the regime for that move, but I will 100% fault the regime for extending Bernard. That was a classic example of us locking up moderate talent at a critical position and then no longer pursuing ways to get better.

Olave is hands down the best of this group. Never had solid QB play. Young and the closest to being a real #1 out of any in the group. Concussion concerns are overstated. If that was a huge concern to our regime we wouldn't have signed a guy like Benford who is in a similar spot.

And he's a former Panther

If you really want to jump off a bridge look at his history in Carolina. This is who he is. Diggs is the absolute crown jewel of his WR acquisitions over his entire career.

We rank 12th in DVOA, it's the lowest we have been ranked since 2019. This isn't a Super Bowl team right now. This isn't a team that is going to just catch fire come playoff time. They have the largest regular season to playoffs regression in NFL history based on EPA. The team will need to be playing well enough that it can survive some of that regression. I just can't sign up for actual improvement in the postseason given how overwhelming the data is at this point. Our scheme is easy to beat with prep time and postseason talent and that's been proven even in years where we had some talent. We don't have the horses right now and are getting carved up by 2nd year QB's. Lord help us for what this will look like come postseason without major changes.

I don't think he's handicapped per say. We didn't break the bank to bring in John Brown, Cole Beasley, Hyde, Poyer, and several others. These were massive value adds at the time. We just aren't bringing in players of that level at this point. Then you look at guys like Diggs and Miller. Which in my opinion were the correct moves. But I think it left Beane feeling a bit burned. Now he seems gun shy to consider "A" talent moves outside of trying to get them in the draft. It seems like all of our signings are complimentary type signings. When during the first build those signings felt more like foundational pieces. Our foundation has now become the drafts of the last 3-5 years which even if looked at favorably have not produced a lot top talent. Then we haven't been creating high level competition for those drafted players. We challenge them with FA depth pieces. But we don't say, can I actually do better than a Daquan Jones, Cole Bishop, Rapp or Bernard etc. I'm not even sure any of these guys even start outside of Buffalo. Then we walk right into a situation where if we can't draft a day 1 starter Tre White is starting for us. That was literally the plan. It's just so badly executed at this point. I don't know what has happened with Beane the last few years but he's just not the same guy.

I was just agreeing with the comments. I didn't even look at the video.

They play for McD is to me is the grossest exaggeration and disconnect our fan base has. They play for each other. McD is not the loveable coach that players will hoist up and carry off the field if we get a trophy, nor is he despised. He's the HC of a team of professionals with largely self correcting character, a trait that this team pursues above talent in many circumstances.

This thread is about playmakers, not McD. You made it about McD.

Oh yes, the standard rebuttal of the McD fan club. Wait each year for every promising candidate to be poached, then mid season say, see! Nobody is available. Works every time.

Not to mention, a hall of fame TE, even if eroding in skill, is consistently open. They bring a lot of speed and scheme players open. You can watch 1 quarter of Chiefs football and see more open WR's than we will have an entire game. The comparison is laughable.

I would start with HC

I'm not tossing the season aside I'm shifting the conversation to what this really needs to be about. If you think landing a 30th-40th ranked WR and a 10th ranked TE in the future is the answer, I imagine you and Beane would get along well.

What do you think this looks like when he's 31 or 32 and has Palmer and Coleman or other FA castoffs as primary weapons? He's running around 2-3 years older flipping balls around like he's in his mid 20's. The madness needs to come to end, not because we need to be a better team as the focus has been for some time now, but because we need to preserve #17. The risk level of not providing those weapons is shifting each year and becoming more and more obvious.

It is a lot more peak than the version of Allen we will see 2-3 years from now if he isn't surrounded with more playmakers.

Yesterday felt like the first game in a long time where Superman seemed a little more human. I don't blame him for that, when you're asked to literally do everything, that is a situation that can only be sustainable for so long. The main theory around here is we have 5/6/7/8 more years with Josh. While Josh could "reinvent" himself into more of a traditional pocket QB, that just isn't the player he has ever been for this team. So it's hard to just assume Allen will successfully transition into that player. Allen is probably more dependent on his physical skills than any QB in the NFL. You know Josh is going to put in the work to be the best version of himself. But one thing is for sure, he absolutely can't become a more age neutral QB if he's being asked to be the entire offense. Now is not the time to leverage the last couple years of peak physical skills Allen has. The front office has to position him to be more of a traditional QB. This goes beyond the standard pleas to add offensive talent we have had for a few years now. It's more about building a roster and system Allen can age in gracefully and elongate his career with where he isn't being asked to create 40% of the offense with his physical abilities. What we are asking him to do right and what we have asked him to do for years is going to shorten his career. This crap needs to come to an end. Get the man some tools to be successful for gods sake. This feels like drought era QB malpractice right now.

That didn't stop us from giving Benford 76 million.

It’s has more impact if you just talk about what it looks like on the surface.

It’s funny how you call out these “key” players who haven’t shown they can play in the NFL or the injuries to guys that got banged up well after the suck started (which has actually been most of the year). I mean, we are supposed to get excited for what Jones, Sanders, Samuel, Palmer, Hairston, Strong, Milano, Bernard, etc…. All of these guys either A) haven’t shown they can play in this league B) haven’t shown they can stay healthy C) both

I really don’t trust Beane to be honest. I just can’t reconcile the guy he presents himself to the media as, and somebody who would call PFF and complain about how they graded players to the point that the PFF main rater says he’s the most sensitive GM in the league. Then you throw in the radio interview where he mocks needing a #1 WR. The you looks at how he has local Buffalo media essentially in a zero access state if it’s not team approved positive content. Beane tries to portray the BBB image. The reality is he’s sensitive, not as confident as he comes across, and I sincerely believe reports that he is not a very good scout. As it aligns with his track record drafting. We want him to draft a WR worth a crap, just jeep in mind, Kelvin Benjamin is probably the best WR he has ever drafted. This is not a guy with any track record at WR. His hits in Kincaid and Torrence at TE and G are not positions teams use #1’s on. So you better hit if you do. Glad we did, but the wins have been pretty minimal. The the extensions have been downright criminal.

It’s the GMs job to eventually get one of those situations correct? I understand we can’t talk about it because Keon needs 6 more years to develop and Max needs to play one down, but while we aren’t talking about it other teams are getting production from those draft picks and not using qualifying conditions to justify not judging players yet.

Hairston might be fine. That doesn’t take away from the fact that two players were very highly rated and available when we picked and we passed. These are not hindsight picks. These were well known players nearing BPA at the time of our pick.