Mikie2times

haha....all good dude

I have explained why. I thought it was interesting how people knock our WR investment, including myself, yet here we are, signifgantly better positioned than KC, our nemesis, who invests heavily into the position. That was it man. No greater thoughts. No desire to be overly specific. Clearly some people have that desire. It was just my god, KC is a dumpster fire at WR nearly every time I see them and we aren't. Within that context, one where I'm being complimentary to the Bills, why in gods name do you think I omitted information intentionally to make us look worse? This doesn't really matter and like I said I would just prefer to drop this outright.

It upsets me that a well intentioned post is now being targeted for being deceptive by somebody who I generally think is a decent poster around here. I mean, it doesn't really upset me, it's a message board. But it surprises me and I don't really have the time for it at this point.

I get the argument. I'm not in a position to also evaluate the impacts of every decision the Chiefs made like the Tyreek Hill trade to make it relative. Some people in this thread want to include the Kincaid pick. How do you draw a line? Even if I went back to say 2019 with draft picks, it would show the Chiefs have invested more. But wait, what about the Diggs pick, should that count? The OP was a simple observation. That is all. That despite not investing in significant resources the last several years (while in a position of need, mind you without guys like Diggs or Gabe Davis) we are in a much better position than the Chiefs who have done so. That also includes the fact that all these players people want to include are not with us. People are losing track of the reason for the post and trying to make this a comprehensive study in wide receiver investment. Not the reason for the post and if it was, I would say we have spent signifgantly less at WR over the last 4 years anyway and seem to be better as a result. I'm not going to debate something that wasn't even the purpose of the post because you want it so. Sorry man. You're wayyyyyyy to conspiracy oriented if you think I had some intention based on the year I started with. My god, get a grip. It's a positive post about this team.

Why not go back to the start of the regime then? 2020 is just as arbitrary as 2021. I was looking at recent investment. If you want to discuss a different window have at it.

That is on page 2, and I started with 2021, because this has been a conversation of more recent investment. I was never looking at it dating back to total historical investment. Historically the Chiefs have not been in that bad of a position with WR. Historically, Buffalo has committed more assets to WR's. The topic of the thread is focusing on a time period where Buffalo did not invest as heavily, and the Chiefs did. Most of the players making up pre 2021 are no longer with either team. Again, wasn't an attempt to inventory both regimes since day one.

Take a look at page two, I did a similar look last year and posted on it. Nice work.

Miami would F us with a Tyreek trade. Yes, he would be effective. It would elevate them considerably, especially if Worthy and Rice are healthy.

That was his point assignment

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Safety wasn’t the correct narrative to discuss with this play. Yes, it looks dangerous and somebody will likely get rolled up and hurt bad eventually but officiating is a way bigger issue as far as game integrity. The AFC championship should have been the catalyst. Poor officiating on that play could have cost us a Super Bowl birth. Not sure how that didn’t become bigger news in the push to get this play banned. You just can’t see the ball to even spot it. Then this Offside crap. It’s microseconds as far as the movement. This is starting to feel Patriot like in some ways. Then you say, how big is it to the Eagles success? It’s pretty damn big. I think we will be just fine. But that teams is basically playing 1st down and 9 to everybody elses 10 and ya, it adds up. If the play can’t be officiated correctly it has no place.

I can say from my perspective, I don't attempt to categorize the Diggs trade into a draft pick discussion because I can't track down all the rest of the draft pick trade for players and input that information. Same for Kincaid. I understand he is a receiving TE, but I'm not going to try and categorize all of those types and put some sort of value to weight that as a WR investment. Logical sure, hard to do with analytics and not introduce my opinion. I will also add this look is from 2021 on, so it is outside the Diggs window. But also likely impacted 2021/2022 etc, as we acquired him reducing the need for higher investment. So if one wants to go down the discussion of us actually investing a lot more than what the pure draft picks show, certainly a conversation you could have.

Thought I would add this chart I did in the offseason. I posted it before, but maybe it helps establish in some consistent way the level of draft investment made at each position. Mind you, it does not account of pick for player trades like Diggs. All of us are familiar with the draft trade value chart. Each pick is assigned a value. So I all I did was add the the value of every teams drafts since 2019. Then I looked at how many points were allocated to each position. So this isn't saying who spent the most, it's saying who spent the most of what they had as a %. We rank low as you would expect. KC is fairly high, as you would expect. I also included DL for context. I found the largest correlations with win % being DL, CB, and WR investment. Teams that invest the highest in those three areas seem to have the best performance over this time frame. That's not to say that is the reason, it could be many reasons, I'm just describing the behavior of the teams that have won the most. Here is the composite of WR/DL/DB investment since that time. We are about middle of the pack. Last edit to this post and last call out. Notice the point totals. That goes to show how little draft capitol we have had relative to the rest of the league. 2nd to only KC as far as lowest value. Again, put in context just how late we draft. The Raiders are so low because the two city abbreviations screwed up my formulas and I got lazy.

They can award a TD, they nearly did in the playoffs last year

I'm surprised that was your take here. The point is the Chiefs have invested at a high level in the WR position, as most would like to see us do. It hasn't worked, to the extent that our lack of investment has shown better returns. Which might be part of why we choose not to invest, as Beane has called out it being a high miss position. We seem more content with depth here, making sure the floor is high, and that Allen has baseline targets that can be functional. KC is swinging for the fences, largely missing. We have emulated them in so many ways, but not this one. Which seems to get the most criticism, but when you look closer, even for a critic like myself, it hasn't gone very well for them.