Mikie2times

This is the game I bought the late season Sunday ticket for. Only cost like 40 bucks for the end of the year. I would be getting the Chargers Sunday.

Certainly is. To use his own words, he's a fundamentally strong coach. I really don't think he prevents us from winning, especially with a better roster. But I also don't think he's vaulting us to the forefront. I put most of that on his reluctance to add top coordinators outside the team including on his own defense. Watching what Ben Johnson does with Chicago's offense is just, wow. The motion, misdirection, all of it. It's a serious advantage. He's not bringing that type of advantage to the team.

got that right

Amazing throw. I would argue this isn’t even in Allen’s top 3. Just off the top of my head, the pass to Murray in the Chiefs game, the Ty Johnson throw in the Denver playoff game, the TD to Knox in the Patriots playoff game, the throw to Shakir vs Baltimore regular season last year. I mean this is literally just the tip of the iceberg. He has some of the most improbable completions we have ever seen.

Bruce still gets the nod, but Allen certainly can pass him. Bruce is the NFL sack leader. An equally freakish talent and the most productive player in NFL history at probably the most important defensive position.

I don't think most teams are rushing him aggressively like they used to. It's usually much more controlled. He just doesn't have as many chances to stick his foot in the ground and run decisively up the middle as we saw so much in the past. That said, it was GREAT seeing that Pittsburgh/playoff like TD run today. I also would really like to see Brady scheme more runs for him. I remember Daboll scheming up some sweeps for him, pulled lineman, and designed run plays that can really bring a new dimension to the offense. Sign me up for some Higgins. Josh would be devastating with that type of WR.

It's usually hyperbole nowadays for these talking heads to try and force all these GOAT conversations. But the reality is, with Josh, he wins in ways that nobody else has before. That conversation doesn't need to be about if he's the best. It's just about what he brings as an individual player to the offense. Nobody has ever won like this or made these types of plays as consistently as him. Favre, Elway, Vick, Fran, Mahomes all those guys could do it, but not by air or land, and if so, not as consistently and as inconceivably consistent. He is the GOAT playmaker at QB and from my view fairly undisputed.

Hes “sneaky good”

This team isn’t anything without Josh. It really is that simple.

I'm not the person who declared one side of evaluation to be meaningless. The eye test does matter, but I don't think any person is capable of using that alone to evaluate dozens of players and then forming a rational conclusion on who is the most impactful. Perhaps if that is all you do for a living but I assume you're not a NFL scout. If you aren't comparing him to his peers, than what are we talking about? We know he's good. This conversation is about if he's top 15-20 good? Is it not reasonable to assume his peers who are producing more havoc also do the same things you're calling out or do we have the only DE in the NFL capable of producing between the numbers? Better yet, the only one who is largely, ONLY capable of producing between the numbers.

You already formed your entire argument on what you see and invalidated any statistical measure at the position. Statistics that are meaningful, but you still dismiss the benefit of that knowledge all together. Such a view isn't capable of being applied to other players equally for context. It's has no real anchor in what a player like him should be doing relative to peers. When challenged you revert to "Other people just don't understand football". Somebody else called out "fantasy" mind set. I here similar arguments all the time for McD. It is our seething blind hate that clouds are ability to be rational therefor our opinion must not be relevant. Here, it's just are lack of football understanding. I played from 9 until 1/2 year in college, so your speculation, along with the other "fantasy" brain call outs is just off the mark. The players in his weight class of pay make a higher rate of negative plays. That can be sacks, TFLs, or even pressures. You don't care, I get it, but the history of the game does, the actual game does. Negative plays do matter. If you're basing your opinion on how good he's been with run fits, anchoring, double teams, helping others produce, things that don't get on a stat sheet, than great! But you still won't find any players in his weight class failing to get on a stat sheet at the rate he does. Which IS part of the conversation. Ultimately those measurements are how elite production is defined and paid out for at his position. Anchoring and run defense is not what gets a DE in the NFL upper money bands. He's a good player but overpaid relative to the skill set he is giving the Bills. Paid enough that further investment in players that can actually generate the negative outcomes at DE is greatly reduced. You clearly don't agree, but lets not pretend it's based on some higher level understanding of the game.

The moment you understand your thoughts aren't objective

Yards are math, points are math, sacks are math, tackles for a loss are math, hits are math, wins are math. All of which can be applied objectively against his peers. What goes on in your head can't be applied that way. If he's so good, the traces of that performance would carry over relative to his peers in the "math". He's performing like a 10-15 million dollar player. It's not anymore complicated than that.

You see the chart I posted over the whole season, relative to his pears. Sacks, TFLs, QB Hits. Underperforming on a per game basis relative to everybody in his pay range. It's not unreasonable to use objective tools in context over large samples vs your subjective view on how sneaky good he is.

According to DVOA they were the worst 10-2 team since 1978 (when they started measuring it). That is a fairly unbiased data point on who they actually are relative to record.